Quote: I am sick and tired of preaching without power.

I agree with you there! Men and women just get up and went instead of being sent.

I am also sick and tired of the "sinner's prayer." I've ministered to women in the jails for 14 years and the repercussions of that single prayer is devastating.

[Edited out] 75% of the church is preaching without power, imho.

God bless you,
Lisa

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Lisa

I think God is much more pleased with those people who put the matters of the kingdom of God into practise, forbearing their shortcomings, than with those who know a lot of theology and do not practise what they know they should be doing.

Agree.

Exodus 20:16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

Inordinate passion on theology is one of the worst things that happened among the churches. Among its fruits are, in secular description, paranoia, borderline personality disorder, and narcissism.

Beware...
For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders that would deceive even the elect, if that were possible.Matthew 24:24

That is a must precept for every christian, to reserve a certain degree of skepticism is reasonable, gullibility is the critical factor why cults exist.

Here is a video that explains how Torben got framed by the Danish media and government and they even discussed his case in parliament.

Mind you, Christ has been accused by the pharisees that he casted out demons by Belzebub thus committing the unpardonable sin, because they attributed the work of the Holy Spirit to Satan. This is heavy stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PIftNrOolo

You may disagree with Torben, but before we criticize him, when have you last cast out a demon?

Luke 11:14-20
King James Version
14 And he was casting out a devil, and it was dumb. And it came to pass, when the devil was gone out, the dumb spake; and the people wondered.
15 But some of them said, He casteth out devils through Beelzebub the chief of the devils.
16 And others, tempting him, sought of him a sign from heaven.
17 But he, knowing their thoughts, said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and a house divided against a house falleth.
18 If Satan also be divided against himself, how shall his kingdom stand? because ye say that I cast out devils through Beelzebub.
19 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your sons cast them out? therefore shall they be your judges.
20 But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.

Luke 12:10 10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

Here is an interview with Dr. Michael Brown and Torben and his lawyer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Bhiwc_nm_U

Torben continues to minister in prisons and they see people repenting, getting filled with the Holy Spirit, baptized and doing bible studies.
Mind you brothers, much of the New Testament you are reading today was written in jail and God worked there mightily. Even in the old testament some of the most noble man that walked the face of the earth such as Jospeph, Daniel, Jeremiah, John the Baptist were in jail. Torben warned us that this is just the beginning.

Pray for this man. He has been held now for over 6 months without charges in the US. They guess the only reason they are not releasing him is that US immigration is afraid to set a precedent for other people from western nations to apply for asylum on the bases of religious persecution. He fled Denmark, because he was accused of performing exorcism that disturbed children. They even passed a law in parliament to forbid such things just because of Torben.

Here is another update from Tobin speaking from jail.

What happened to him in the US is rather typical for countries under dictatorship.

Listen to his address, it is very encouraging to hear this man placing his hope in Jesus Stil.

https://youtu.be/zZ5WQcKL5ZA

I feel very badly for Torben. He has had a difficult time with the law in Denmark and now here.

Nonetheless, I do think his ministry has serious theological problems. When he first strated his ministry I was introduced to him by a friend. I watched his videos because my friend recommended them but there were many theological problems with what he taught. His main point was that we should be going to the streets and praying for people's healings, and the healing would provide an opportunity to preach the Word. He claimed this is what Peter and John did (bc of the healing of the crippled man in Acts) and that should be how to spread the word.

This is the same thing many NAR churches are teaching, starting with Bethel. It wouldn't really matter, if it was confirmed by scripture, but it is not.

I do not get my information from got questions.org but from Torban's own words and testimony of friends who followed (and I assume still follow) him and attended his conferences.

Please heed the warning. We all want preaching with "power", but the power is IN THE WORD OF GOD AND THE GOSPEL. I am not a cessationist, not reformed. I just read my Bible and make sure to test every ministry by what the Word states.

I don't judge the innocence of Torben, but I am not going to jump and automatically say what he's been accused of is a s a lie. We need to hear both sides of the matter. There were questionable issues in Denmark and it did not have to do with homeschooling.

I pray the Lord gives Torban and his family peace and that they can be extricated from this legal matter without consequence.

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Natalie

I have been to one of their meeting. The presence of God was there, the teaching was simple but powerful, there was brokenness and tears and demons manifested an were cast out later on.

I do not agree with all of their practises, but it is rather in nuances than in essence.

They are definitely not NAR.