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savannah
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 Re: Preach the Gospel to every creature



Right or wrong...

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 2021/1/31 22:30Profile
JFW
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 Re: brother Savannah

Thank you 🙏🏻

3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)
5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
6 And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.



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Fletcher

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God is the same today and yesterday and forever .In the old Testament he only stood for Child Sacrifice for so long and then came the Judgement.Jesus coming did not change this.God only takes Child Sacrifice for so long and then the Judgement.
We the Christians are the only ones that know that Abortion is Child Sacrifice.We the Christians are the only ones that knows the spirit behind Abortion is the same as it was back in the Old Testament.

 2021/2/1 20:33Profile
ginnyrose
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 Re: Shoud Christians fight for abortion laws?

I did not read all the responses to the OP but have a few opinions.

As we view the civil laws in any county they are made to limit anti-social behaviors by lawless, evil people otherwise you will have a chaotic society ruled by violence. The OT had laws that governed people's behavior.

Having worked at a CPC for 15 years I have come to a conclusion that some would consider radical. It was my belief back then that if the church would aggressively teach against the sin of immorality and discipline the unrepentant members the numbers of abortions would drop substantially. A lot of those having abortions were people in a church. (I will admit church numbers have dropped since then). In any case most ab minded people know it is wrong/sin. But it is odd that church people believe the state should restrict a behavior the church is powerless to stop among its own people.

Then there is the push to legalize pedophilia. Lord, have mercy! if you will have laws that can allow this atrocity inflicted upon children without fear of prosecution!!! No child will be safe in public.

And divorce...if the church would not allow its members to remarry after a divorce the numbers would drop, I am sure.

My point in case you missed it is that if the church would teach holiness, obedience a lot of these social ills would not be as widespread as it is. Even among our own people the pressure exists to be more accommodating.

We live in terrible times, for sure.

Sandra




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Sandra Miller

 2021/2/11 21:48Profile
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Hi Sandra,
If the Church was more for the want of a better word successful in all aspects then yeah we would see a drop in sinfulness fair enough.
God though has to look at the bigger picture of what is better for the Church and for the world.John The Baptist preached against Herod for marrying his brothers wife in his successful message of repentance.He had to show that generation what was right and what was wrong.
Does not God hear the cry of the saved and the unsaved?Is he not lord of the whole Earth and not just the Church?
God does call Christians to be leaders in society whether people like it or not.Look at William Wilbourforce.These leaders that are Christians have a duty to God as well as to their stewardship to do,vote and influence the right thing in society for Christian and Non Christian alike.God had even concern for the cattle in Nineveh and so much more concern for the unsaved in our time.
Not alone do I think we should fight in every non violent way possible to stop Child Sacrifice but that we should do a better job of it,urs staff

 2021/2/11 22:14Profile
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My point in case you missed it is that if the church would teach holiness, obedience a lot of these social ills would not be as widespread as it is. Even among our own people the pressure exists to be more accommodating.




Yes sister, what you have mentioned here is to some extent the crux of the main post as well. Paul himself said this in 1 Cor 5 -

12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.


But today the Church is busy telling whom to vote to oppose these social evils in the world but is least concerned about being a witness. If Apostle Paul was alive, he would care least about abortion laws in the country but will preach against evils like divorce, remarriage and loose sexual life that is seen in the churches today.

The main point in my post is, the Church has failed to be a wintness to the world hence it is trying to compensate by means of these cheap political practices like aboriton law etc. And mordern day politicians are utilizing this failed position of the church to their political advantage by giving false hope like they fight against abortion. If any politician is really interested then why is it difficult to make anti abortion laws federal? The truth is no one cares, they just want to use the religious sentiments to their advantage.


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Hi,
If Paul were alive to today he would difinitely be against Abortion no doubt about that.We are not talking about judgement of the world.In context Paul had no judgement power over the world but he had over the Church.
(On a side issue that authority is missing today in the Church.)
We are talking about William Wilberforce who wrestled with the idea of giving up politics due to his conversion and ruled against it primarily to get rid of slavery.
If we went along the route suggested here we would be living in western democratic countries today that would have black minorities still as slaves while preaching Christianity.What a bad witness that would be.The headline would be "Christians refuse to condemn slavery" as its none of their business!
The process of getting rid of Abortion is clear ,it has to be defeated in a case brought to the supreme court.The supreme court would have to have appointees sympathetic to defeating it and the correct case would have to come before them.We now have since President Trump's 3 appointees enough judges to change the law.This is not false hope ,for the first time in decades we have the judges in place.
The Church can both be a witness to the world and at the same time do the right thing regarding laws of the country.We can do both at the same time!
Or we can sit back ,not get involved and have abortion,slavery,child abuse etc ...the choice is simple because if the Church isnt willing to stand up for what is right as well as witness then it doesnt matter how many people are saved or repent the world will still operate on evil laws,
urs staff

 2021/2/12 11:02Profile
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 Re: yes we shall fight

Yet our weapons are not are not carnal but spiritual and mighty 💯
We can pray today that every woman who has an abortion scheduled today would come under great conviction of the value of the life they carry within them... that they would see and witness a child and it’s mother enjoying intimacy and be pricked in their own heart, provoked to jealousy. We can pray that their own fond memories of their own childhood would be illuminated in such an inescapable way that their very conscience would bear witness to the joy of childbearing and motherhood. That those round about them whom have ear to hear the Lord would boldly and earnestly contend, interceding on behalf of the child yet unborn, that they might themselves have an opportunity to live and know the love of Christ and thereby glorify God. That the Lord Himself might excite movement so the child would require the mother to acknowledge and confess the child within her womb is alive and was fearfully and wonderfully made in the likeness and image of God the Father. We can pray that these convictions will be followed by a movement of His spirit, turning the attention of the mother to see Jesus high and lifted up,... that through this experience she may draw close unto the Lord, seeing and knowing His comfort and confidence. That through her experience that the seed of His word might find the good ground of her heart, taking root and growing, bearing much fruit to the glory of the Lord 😇
Yes brothers and sisters we should fight, and pray for His law of love to be so on earth as it is in heaven 🙏🏻
Don’t despise small beginnings and never under estimate what God can do with 1 second left on the clock ;)


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Hi JFW,
And when we pray.....
God will raise up leaders to political positions that will appoint just judges on the SCOTUS that will vote against abortion,
God will raise up Christians who are discerning enough to vote for the right person in the election
God will raise up Christians like William Wilberforce who didnt except slavery as a concept but fought the good fight to the very end and won,
urs staff

 2021/2/12 13:08Profile
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And we are praying the gov to police the church folks when its leaders and members refuse to do so?

(FYI) A high percentage of those that want AB are fornicators and adulteresses.

Church culture has so evolved that it has become acceptable to embrace single parenting all in the name of forgiveness and love. But it wont stop there - keep on sinning the people will forgive and eventually come to accept it and it will/does - and so it goes on and on....Repentance is not taught or expected but love and forgiveness is. SIGH

Am I sitting on an island away from reality? I do not think so. We had a church member that would get involved in adultery. When it was discovered he would make the most impressive apology only to resume it at a later date. After each episode he was excommunicated and after a spell it was lifted. But then he did it again (and again and again and again) and the cycle resumed. It ended up that we had to shun him for lack of repentance and sorrow for sin. Some people think we are not loving. Sin divides and effects the Believers in any Brotherhood.

Sounds like I am weary...

Sandra


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