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 Re: Elibeth


You left out this:

I also said that we are to be just like Him.

We do everything He tells us to do and be all that He asks us to be by the mighty power of Christ in me through His Holy Spirit in us.


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 Re: Freedom from the Dominion of Sin

This is from the book - IT IS FINISHED by David Wilkerson.

2 - Freedom from the Dominion of Sin

Now that we understand the foundation of the New Covenant into which we have entered with God, we can begin to appropriate its promises. One of the first steps we take is facing the truth that we cannot rescue ourselves from the power of sin. It is simply impossible for any believer to deliver himself from sin's dominion. That work can be accomplished only by the Holy Spirit.

This divine work is complicated by a twofold problem, however. God has to accomplish two things in us before He can deliver us from our besetting sins.

First, God has to inspire the sin-bound person to want to be free. By nature, man does not want to be delivered from his sin. He simply will not respond to a gracious mercy call. So, God has to implement a plan or device that will allow a person to see the exceeding wickedness of his sin. This person has to become sin-sick, aware of how wicked and devastating his sin is, before he will yearn for deliverance. He has to come to his wits' end, where he sees he is being ruined by sin - helpless, wretched, empty, ensnared and deceived by sin, and laden down with guilt.

Second, God has to cause the sin-bound person to see the utter futility of his own efforts to set himself free. Man remains convinced he can cut off his own chains. He thinks if he struggles hard enough or works out the correct formula, he will be able to free himself from Satan's grip. The Lord, therefore, has to bring him to a point of total surrender, where he submits his struggle completely into God's hands.

How does the Lord accomplish these two things? How does He cause the sin-bound person, first, to see his transgressions as exceedingly sinful, and, second, to give up the fight in his flesh, admitting, "I can't do it. I'm helpless to free myself from this sin. Lord, You have to do it in me"?

Scripture explains that this twofold work is accomplished in us by the Old Covenant. Indeed, we cannot fully understand or appropriate the blessing of the New Covenant until the Old Covenant has accomplished this dual work in us.

By its very design, the Old Covenant of works was intended to teach enslaved man how high and holy his heavenly Father is. The Ten Commandments, for example, give us a picture of what is known as the moral law. This is a representation of the heart and nature of God - a nature of holiness, purity, righteousness. It sets a standard so high no human can possibly reach it in his own strength.

After giving man these commandments, God then commanded him to obey His Law perfectly. In fact, anyone who failed to keep a single law was guilty of violating them all. That person might love God, be a faithful spouse and do good works, but if he had even the slightest adulterous or idolatrous thought in his heart, he would be breaking the entire covenant. God said, "Now therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant,then you shall be a ... holy nation" (Exodus 19:5-6). "Obey My voice, and I will be your God, and you shall be My people" (Jeremiah 7:23).

You may wonder, "Why would God make a covenant He knew no one could keep?" Simply put, it was the only way God could bring man to the end of himself - to cause him to see the futility of relying on his own strength to be holy. This is why Paul called the Old Covenant "the ministry of death" (2 Corinthians 3:7). He knew it requires of us a kind of dying. In plain language, we all must die to any attempt to establish our own righteousness, and to any thought that we can deliver ourselves from sin's strongholds.

The moral law is also meant to make man see his guilt: "By the law is the knowledge of sin... that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God" (Romans 3:20, 19). Once we see our iniquity soberly, we are silenced by its exceeding sinfulness. "Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound" (Romans 5:20). Through the revelation of the Law, our sins become offensive to us - disturbing, sickening, overwhelming.

By setting His standard of holiness so high, God was proving to man that he could never attain the Law in his own strength. Instead, He was placing man in a school - a place where he would be taught how utterly wicked and sinful he was. By graduation time, he should be a dead man - dead to any hope he might have of freeing himself from the bondage of sin.

Likewise today, as long as we have the slightest idea we can achieve holiness on our own, we are still living under the Old Covenant's ministration of death. God's whole idea behind implementing this covenant is to send us to our death.

After studying this aspect of the covenant, I wrote the following conclusion in my journal:

The Old Covenant has finished its work. It has put me on my face - empty, helpless, wounded, weak - and now it can fade away. I am fully persuaded that I cannot by human strength and will obey or please God. I have no plea of holiness. I am without strength, and I can do nothing in my own ability. My sin is too powerful, the chains too heavy. I am too wicked to free myself. I need a miracle, and I need a helper. All I can do now is cry, Abba, Father.


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 Re: Freedom from the Dominion of Sin

To be honest I've never considered David Wikerson as someone that has a grasp of true repentance. You can see this in the conditions he is putting into his teachings to overcome sin here. Saying that a person must wait until they first become sick of their sin isn't a Biblical teaching whatsoever. And it sounds like it's come from someone who doesn't understand personally the power that some addictions like pornography or Cocaine can have upon that person. You just have to have a desire to obey God first as a reason to repent. Not wait for a certain feeling.

Taking every thought captive instead of indulging in thought full desires about sin is what's missing in most people's experience of repenting. It's a pity David didn't teach this.
It's a battle for our mind that we are in


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 Here is waht Wilerson wrote concerning bring ever thought captive

I know a pastor in his early sixties who has served God faithfully for all his years. Since the day he met the Lord, he lived free of any plaguing evil thoughts. But suddenly, in his later years, he was struck down with a deep, horrible depression. A dark cloud came upon him from out of nowhere - and in the pit of his depression, evil thoughts of lust began to plague his mind.

This man could not understand what was happening. He cried out, "Oh, Lord, where did this come from? What is happening to me?" But the heavens seemed closed - and the evil thoughts persisted.

Finally, the godly minister saw that he had two options. First, he could cast himself to the ground - weeping, mourning and wallowing in despair over a sin he could not comprehend. He could allow fear to overcome him and the devil to fill him with dread. He could turn inward, feeling unworthy, lost, wicked. And he could act as his own high priest, trying everything in his own power to straighten out what had happened. He could pray, "Lord, You know this isn't like me. If You will just give me time and be patient with me, I will get on top of it. I will do my best never again to think these evil thoughts. I want to get back to where I was before this hellish invasion came upon me. Whatever it takes, I'll pull myself out of it."

But if the minister did this, he would be doing exactly as Uzziah had done. He would be entering the holy place with strange fire - his censer filled with human energy and the works of the flesh. He would be striving, working, operating under his own power to set himself free.

Thank God, this servant of the Lord chose the second option. He quickly realized, "I'm no high priest," and he turned to the one and only High Priest, Jesus Christ. He prayed, "Lord, I don't know what has happened, but You have promised me by Your covenant that You would see me through - and I believe You.

"You commanded me to bring every thought captive to obedience to Your Word, but right now You know I have no human strength to do that. All these evil thoughts are raging in my mind, and I can't stop them. Satan is plaguing me with them. Yet, Jesus, You made a covenant to put within me a new heart and a new mind. You said You would forgive me and keep me, and that Your Holy Spirit would empower me to overcome. So now, Lord, I come boldly on the grounds of Your covenant, to obtain all the power You have promised me through Your Spirit. I step out in faith in that power, trusting You to deliver me from my oppressor."

The minister then stood still and waited to see the salvation of the Lord. And, indeed, God delivered him by heavenly power - through the mercy, grace, energy and fire of the Holy Spirit.


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 Re: Here is waht Wilerson wrote concerning bring ever thought captive

It's nice the old man found freedom that way. It rarely happens in that manner though. The world is full of people who have left the faith because they never got an answer this way.
Most of the times when people with this problem receive ministry and prayer in this matter the end results is the minister realizes the person has to repent. It may take time.
Plus we aren't getting the complete story of this old guy. How these thoughts started coming to him.

Why didn't Jesus give the woman caught in adultery this kind of teaching ?


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 Re: a refresher

I found this message to be a refresher,...

“Preparing For The Fire Of God”
Gbile Akanni

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5UQ8DczCdI&feature=share

Hope it blesses and encourage you, too,
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 Re:


I apologize if I sound unmerciful in my replies. I'm trying to defend the way of over coming my major sins. Sexual immorality hate and judging my parents. I had to discipline myself and take all my thoughts captive. The Lord led me out to the hills each night to do battle with my thought life and to pray.

And I got victory over my past life and was changed. And got brought into an incredible place of fellowship with the Lord.


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It certainly didn’t take Saul of Tarsus a lot of weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth to realize what a rotten sinner he was. It took about .2 seconds- the time between being blinded by the light and saying “who are you, **Lord**?” It was then that the real work began. Two seconds before the light hit he had no idea he was sinning.

The story of the old man is wishful thinking. It might happen that way one out of 10,000 times.


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 Re: 0.2 second?


Who knows how long it was for Saul and how much he went through in that split second?

2 Pet. 3:8 -- But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.


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Good teaching from David Wilkerson.


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