Listen to Frank , Mike

He lives near IHOP

Dom

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Savannah

I was just trying to wonder what point you were trying to make from this verse as it does not justify the seven mountain mandate as you always tend to interpret old testament passages through the light of the new testament

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Rbanks

Great passages as there was some I forgot as there is so many passages in scripture that goes against this doctrine and I 100 percent agree with you

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Marvin

Praise the lord
You have finally seen through the smokescreen

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To me what worries me about this movement is how prolific this movement is and how it is spread through churches like bethel Redding

One thing I did miss on , is that revival is primarily for the church and not for the world as it is only a byproduct

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Dominic Shiells

Brother Frank,
I want to apologize to you for making that statement in anger.

I am in fellowship with older and younger men and women in ministry that have had close ties to IHOP, and they are all lovers of God, rooted and grounded in the Word, and they are not giving themselves over to false signs and wonders. I am also well aware of the Kansas City prophets and what Andrew Strom has said said about them.

I have a heart for the young people, and I believe that the leadership at IHOP does also.

From the discussion on the 7 mountains, there has been both truth and error brought forth. For instance just because someone believes that there are seven mountains of culture to conquer that doesn’t mean that they embrace “Dominion Theology”.
I personally do not believe in dominionism, nor do I believe that conquering the 7 mountains will change society, but what I do believe is that through the fervent prayers of the saints that revival and awakening will have a godly influence on our society.

For many years now I have lead and been connected to intercessors all over the nation. Just as IHOP groups all over the world are worshipping the Lord and praying 24/7, there is continuous worship and prayer going on with strategic prayer calls in which intercessors are praying every hour on the hour. There are also many other streams of prayer that are praying on a consistent basis for revival and awakening. I believe that Greg and the brothers and sisters that he is praying with on the prayer calls have a heart for revival, and I will be praying for the conference in California.

Those that are on the wall of prayer are the ones that are seeking the face of God, hearing from God, and praying “Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Those that are in the wall are grieved by what is going on with the Church and nation. This is why we believe and pray for our government and leaders as the Word instructs us to do.

We can no longer sit in our comfortable churches that are totally out of the will of God concerning His purposes and plans. The darkness can only come in where there is an absence of light, and we know that the Son of God was manifested to destroy the works of the devil, and we are called as a Body of believers to do the same thing. After the Holy Spirit was poured out on the disciples of Jesus, The first priority of the Apostles was the Word and Prayer. We have been called to be a House of Prayer for all nations, so that the gospel can be preached, and not only that men would be saved, but that they would become disciples of Jesus, being confirmed into His image and likeness.



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Mike

Brother Mike and others...

I believe that sincere godly people sometimes make mistakes and can get caught up in wrong teaching.

Jesus warned us not to be deceived by what is false.

Now a question, is prayer just something we do for certain things to be changed according to our understanding?

Is not our prayers in vain if it is not according to the will of God?

Take for example the church...is it not in the present world but not of the world...are we not suppose to be pilgrims passing through?

The blessing of Abraham is not earthy possessions but our spiritual heritage in Christ Jesus?

Abraham was told to journey in a land that would one day be given to him on the earth in the Old Testament times but now we are in the New Testament times.

Now in the New Testament times this land is not ours yet because it is ruled by the prince and power of the air but it will one day...after all it’s works are burned up....when there will be a new heaven, earth and Jerusalem.

The problem in trying to Christianize the present world is that many are praying prayers in vain because God said he was going to destroy the world and everything that was not in His spiritual kingdom.

We can’t mix the world with the church but we must be separate from the world. The prayer thy kingdom come and thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven does not mean that we join up with the world or that we take over the world because the time to rule and to reign will be in the new heaven, earth and Jerusalem.

As Christians on the present earth we will always suffer persecution by living godly. We will always not be welcomed by the world but will be an offense to them.

Jesus never tried to take over the world to rule and to reign because he said that His Kingdom was not of this world. Now the body of Christ must follow their leaders example and live godly in this present world looking forward to His glorious appearing then will we rule and reign when he comes back to take over.

We must preach the gospel and witness Christ by the power of the Spirit to reach a lost and dying world...so that they can come out of the world and be a part of the church in the kingdom of God....which is a spiritual relationship with the living God in Christ Jesus.

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Travis

Beautifully summarized brother.

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William

Brother Travis,

I appreciate what you shared and the spirit with what you shared it. I do not agree with everything that Mike Bickle teaches or what goes on at IHOP.

We that are older and have been through many different movements and trends need to be very wise and discerning with the way that we deal with this young generation or we are going to loose them. I see the Spirit of God On many of them. They have an anointing on them to pray and these are the ones that God is going to use to start Holy Spirit fires in the campuses all over America. This young generation is sick and tired of church like we know it, and so am I. These young evangelists and revivalists are looking for something real, and they are finding it in the presence of God. We might not like their music or Lou Engels swaying when he prays, but we better be ready to embrace change, because God is shaking all things, and great change is coming.

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Mike

No problems Mike. I dont think it could have been said better than how brother Travis summarized it. I agree with Travis 100% and all of his sentiments stated are mine as well. I know many wonderful folks at IHOP, known many of them for over 20 years. They are genuine, just genuinely wrong in thier basic discernment of what underlies the IHOP movement. The great persecution to come will be carried out by very passionate people who believe in what they are doing.......bro Frank

Dom wrote,

Savannah

I was just trying to wonder what point you were trying to make from this verse as it does not justify the seven mountain mandate as you always tend to interpret old testament passages through the light of the new testament

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Dom,

Absolutely no attempt on my part, or by my post to justify the seven mountain mandate. I never even heard of it until reading it here on SI in this thread.

And as to my interpretating Old Testament through the light and lens of the New, is not a novelty. Jesus Himself, Paul the Apostle, and every New Testament writer did exactly that. It is what the Holy Spirit Himself teaches. To do otherwise will lead to all sorts of error.

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Travis

I agree 100%. But that is what elders do. We follow God with blazing hearts, radically separated unto Him and radically in love with Him. With that example to the younger, we see in them the gifts and callings of God and we lead them into the same radical walk with God that we have so those gifts can come forth. But this does not happen through any particular "movement". This happens as the elder begin to lead the younger into the reality that we ourselves are pursuing.


Amen Travis! This younger generation needs to be mentored by elders and spiritual fathers.

"He will restore the hearts of the fathers to their children and the hearts of the children to their fathers, so that I will not come and smite the land with a curse." (Malachi 4:6)

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Mike