by marcmc...So much for the authority of the believer.
Post-trib = not only will the following versus not be fulfilled, they would have to be wrong. I read the ministries not tribulation being God's method of equipping the body.Ephesians 4:9(What does “he ascended” mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regionsc ? 10He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.) 11So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.14Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming. 15Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will grow to become in every respect the mature body of him who is the head, that is, Christ. 16From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work.Marcmc
Post-trib = God the Father giving His Son's Bride a good beating to get her all fixed up for the wedding. marcmc
RE : ///Post-trib = God the Father giving His Son's Bride a good beating to get her all fixed up for the wedding.///My understanding is that most post-trib pre-mill. believe that the end times plagues that are poured out will be like those in egypt and will not include the Christians.As far as persecution from the enemy , As Lisa pointed out that is a simple reality through out all of history including much of the world today. edit : clarity
by Lysa on 2016/9/5 9:43:50Quote:by marcmc...So much for the authority of the believer.I'm not arguing for a particular endtime belief but I would logically like to ask about the "authority of the believer."The Apostles all had tongues of fire rest upon them, did miracles in the name of Jesus, Peter's shadow healed people and yet every single one of them BUT John died a violent death. How do you explain the authority of those believers?
Post-trib = No joy, no peace and no victory. Which is the clear impression I have witnessed in the lives and on the face of every person that I have met who propagates this false doctrine.marcmc
Post-trib= God using Satan the beast and the false prophet to accomplish......umm....whatever post-tribbers think the outcome will be.marcmc
Post-trib = Confusing the culmination of the age where God allows the fruition of the rebellious treason of Adam to come to its inevitable outcome ( Man as god) and the martyrdom of the saints throughout history which is a very different thing.marcmc
Post-trib = joyless Christians who expect and want God to be a cosmic bully to slap around the carnal Christians and prove they were right all along.marcmc
Perhaps instead of spamming little mocks pointed at post tribs.. It would be more beneficial to make a clear case using the Scriptures and perhaps find some writings in the first 1500 years of church history that supports your position of a pre-trib rapture