Quote: Some will say it is a culture issue, it is NOT a culture issue; t is God’s word. How easy it is to ignore things that may be “uncomfortable” and brush it off as a “cultural issue”. Nice try! This is a New Testament issue.

The new testement - tells you what it is 1 Cor 11:2 Now I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I delivered them to you.

No head-covering for a man and wearing a head-covering for a women while they pray and prophecy is a tradition.

When I am work while wearing a safety hat; I will pray with it on, I don't see how that is dishonouring God.

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Colin Murray

Thank you for the explanations about the specific interpretations of the "angels" part of this passage. I've always found that part confusing when those who embrace this tradition explained it, but this gives me a clearer understanding of how many have interpreted it in this context.

As for the "judging" aspect that many have touched on: I asked some questions about this previously that I haven't seen anyone address.

Earlier, I wrote:

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Christopher

Hi Chris,
Brother you raise an interesting point with this question and as I considered it this question came as to expound on your initial query; would the Apostle Paul allow or restrict the fellowship/ministry of this same couple based on the scripture presented here in the 1st letter to Corinth?

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Fletcher

Hey Iceman-

Paul told Timothy to drink wine for his stomach ailment. Should all Christians today with a stomach ailment drink wine? If not why not?

The early church liquidated their assets and pooled them for the good of all. Should we do that today? If not why not?

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Todd

TMK

Most Italian pentecostals in and from Italy drink wine to this day .
They consider it a-okay although not in excess.

Yes the pooling of assets is very good, Please let me administer these funds.

I posted earlier in this thread:
The question came up about 1. Cor 11:10 For this reason the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels.

Eve was tempted by Satan the Archangel and was lured into disobedience to the one and only command they had to observe in those days. Please take note that Eve did not receive the command by God directly as Adam did, but she received it from Adam who got it from God. Eve had not been yet been created when the man Adam received the command.

By covering her head she expresses that she chooses submission and obedience to her husband and subsequently to Christ. In effect she proclaims to the angelic world:

"My great-grandmother Eve did not behold the command that Adam passed on to her and the left the authority she was under - but now I and my sisters in Christ express that we are subject to our husbands who is appointed head over us in the governance of God. We chose to keep Gods commands down to small details of which head covering is a visible symbol.

The angelic world witness now the weak point where Satan managed to launch his epic attack on mankind has now been fixed and fortified by obedience.

Watchman Nee gives us wonderful insight into this reality:

http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/neeonheadcovering.htm

How to Cover the Head

“For if a woman is not veiled, let her also be shorn: but if it is a shame to a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be veiled” (1 Cor. 11:6). In other words, God tells the sisters to be thorough.

No woman can keep her hair and not have her head covered. If she is not covered, she should have her hair either shorn or shaven. If she feels shameful to have her hair shorn or shaven, then she should be covered. Everything must be done thoroughly, not in half measure.

“For a man indeed ought not to have his head veiled, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man” (v. 7). Since man represents the image and glory of God, he should not cover his head. But woman is the glory of man, so she should cover her head. If a woman does not cover her head, she cannot demonstrate that man is the head. “For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man: for neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man” (vv. 8-9). These two verses make it very clear that the matter before us is concerned with government. “For the man is not of the woman”—this is God’s doing. In God’s creation man did not come by woman, but woman from the rib taken out of man. Hence, the head was Adam, not Eve. Furthermore, “neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.” Just by God’s ordering in creation, woman should be in submission to man.

“For this cause ought the woman to have a sign of authority on her head, because of the angels” (v. 10). The Bible does not specify what is to be used for the covering; it only states that the head, where the hair grows, should be covered. Why should the head be covered? Because of the angels.

I often am amazed at this marvelous teaching that the sisters should have on their heads the sign of authority for the sake of the angels. We know the tragic history of how some of the angels sinned. Satan rebelled against God. Why? Because he desired to make himself equal with God. In other words, the angel Lucifer attempted to expose his own head before God and refused to submit to His authority. In Isaiah 14, Satan constantly reiterated, “I will.” “And thou saidst in thy heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God and I will sit upon the mount of the congregation, in the uttermost parts of the north; I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High” (vv. 13-14). Right in this passage we see an archangel falling to become Satan. Revelation 12 further shows us that when Satan fell, one-third of the angelic force fell with him (Rev. 12:4). Why did the angels fall? Because of their not being subject to the authority of God the head but trying instead to expose their own heads

Today woman has a sign of authority on her head because of the angels, that is, as a testimony to the angels. Only the sisters in the church can testify to this, for the women of the world know nothing of it. Today when the sisters have the sign of authority on their heads, they bear the testimony that, “I have covered my head so that I do not have my own head, for I do not seek to be head. My head is veiled and I have accepted man as head, and to accept man as head means that I have accepted Christ as head and God as head. But some of you angels have rebelled against God.” This is what is meant by “because of the angels.”

I have on my head a sign of authority. I am a woman with my head covered. This is a most excellent testimony to the angels, to the fallen and to the unfallen ones. No wonder Satan persistently opposes the matter of head covering. It really puts him to shame. We are doing what he has failed to do. What God did not receive from the angels, He now has from the church. Because some of the angels do not submit themselves to the authority of God and of His Christ, the world is subject to great confusion. The fall of Satan has caused much more trouble than the fall of man. But, thank God, what He failed to get from the fallen angels, He has obtained from the church.

When many of the sisters in the church take the place given to woman and learn to cover their heads, they send out an unspoken word of testimony to the angels in the air, to the effect that God has obtained in the church what He desires. Because of this, woman must have on her head a sign of authority, a testimony to the angels.

I apologize for getting the thread off track per its original intent. I did not initially mean to get drawn into a discussion.

This is one of those topics where my mind will never be changed, nor will the minds of those who feel differently be changed. It falls into the same type of category as calvinism, views of hell, eschatology and age of the earth.

I would hope both sides can respect the other sides' view without feelings that the other side is silly or rebellious. Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

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Todd

No matter what side we are on, let our behaviour and character display Whose authority we are under.

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Lisa

Carmine:

Can you please send me an email, my email is in my profile.

Thanks

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David Fella