Ontario were the early Christans martyred for speaking out against specific sins? Or for a witness of Jesus Christ?
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Towards christian martyrs preaching against idolatry:from foxes book of martyrs:Timothy was the celebrated disciple of St. Paul, and bishop of Ephesus, where he zealously governed the Church until A.D. 97. At this period, as the pagans were about to celebrate a feast called Catagogion, Timothy, meeting the procession, SEVERELY REPROVED them for their ridiculous idolatry, which so exasperated the people that they fell upon him with their clubs, and beat him in so dreadful a manner that he expired of the bruises two days later.Stephen, bishop of Rome, was beheaded in the same year, and about that time Saturninus, the pious orthodox bishop of Toulouse, REFUSING to sacrifice to idols, was treated with all the barbarous indignities imaginable, and fastened by the feet to the tail of a bull. Upon a signal given, the enraged animal was driven down the steps of the temple, by which the worthy martyr's brains were dashed out.Victorius, Carpophorus, Severus, and Severianus, were brothers, and all four employed in places of great trust and honor in the city of Rome. Having EXCLAIMED AGAINST the worship of idols, they were apprehended, and scourged, with the plumbetae, or scourges, to the ends of which were fastened leaden balls. This punishment was exercised with such excess of cruelty that the pious brothers fell martyrs to its severity.St. George threw up his command, went boldly to the senate house, and avowed his being a Christian, taking occasion at the same time to remonstrate against paganism, and POINT OUT THE ABSURDITY of worshipping idols. This freedom so greatly provoked the senate that St. George was ordered to be tortured, and by the emperor's orders was dragged through the streets, and beheaded the next day.from: http://www.ccel.org/f/foxe/martyrs/fox102.htm
We in the west worship our so called freedoms. We detest The religious man, like the Victorian England church-goer, will rail against the morality of society, the man of God will speak to the state of the Church. The world is and always has been wicked, it just had and has various states of morality which have little bearing on the Body of Christ.....bro Frank__________I agree completely with what you shared Frank. Very good post and much truth within. Today those in the United States seem so caught up in holding on to freedoms at any cost and yet the willingness to die to self and live for CHRIST seems far from them. You mentioned that:"There have been 55 million abortions in this country alone. What does that mean? There are 55 million murderers walking the street most of them unrepentant. Political christians in the States like to blame politicians for the 55 million murders. Yet the politicians merely give the majority of people what they want. And what is that? Freedom." That stunned me because honestly I have never thought of it that way before, but you are right.God blessmaryjane
So does this mean Paul was a coward or afraid to speak the truth about sin? Was he giving approval to a cult? Of course not. Paul saw his commission to preach the gospel and call individuals to turn from their sins to God and have faith in Christ (Acts 20:21). On other words Paul called on individuals to repent and turn away from their sins and have faith in Jesus. Not societies or cities.
Greg writes: Rather the Gospel testifies for people to join another kingdom but again the main context of Franklin Graham's sharing is towards the preachers of America's Church. The society is forcing through fear, most preachers to stop preaching the truth for the Church, for the kingdom of God. We cannot practice abortion in the Church, we cannot condone homosexuality in the Church. And yes it is a sin against the Lord and through evangelism we can testify to that also._________________Perhaps what should be said is the time is now, and begins with pastors and elders to share with those they fellowship that we as Christians are called to live a holy life, set apart. That means there should be no looking the other way on any sin. If we see a brother in sin in the body of believers that we fellowship, we should speak truth to them regardless of what that sin might be. If that means that half or more of those who were coming to Sunday service leave, never to return then chances are they were not truly born again any way and are in need of prayer to come to JESUS. We must begin to, in love speak truth into one another lives, we must share with each other and encourage one another to walk in HIM and turn from all sin because CHRIST is deserving of our whole heart and lives. Its cowardly to see any brother/sister in sin and walk away with out speaking and sharing truth with them. But then we must know that those we are speaking and sharing truth with are truly saved and born of GOD...to many of our churches in America are filled with lost sinners who are told by coming to church, tithing and saying a prayer they are covered when they have no relationship with CHRIST.God blessmjEdit: one last thought, we need to be really careful too that we don't confuse "good morals" with being truly born again! There are a lot of Mormons and RCC who have really good morals but no true relationship with JESUS.
Hi Oracio,My post was addressing the desire to moralize the world or to maintain or produce a moral society. The apostles and the genuine saints down through the ages were the most fearless of men and spoke the truth without fear or favor of men.I do not find the Grahams to come into that category, that is my personal opinion. Taking Mormonism of their website a year and a half ago as a cult was a matter of rank cowardice or worse, pure political expediency. Maryjane pointed out the hypocrisy on picking on certain sins that appeal to a broad category of peoples. Now if one were to point out to Christendom every Sunday about the sin of greed or materialism or divorce then perhaps one would have the legitimacy of pointing out the sins of abortion or homosexuality as it pertains, not to the broader world but to the church specific. And it does pertain to them and it is right to speak out on these matters as it pertains to the church. The genuine saint loves the whole truth and will stand or fall because of the whole truth, anything else is rank hypocrisy......... bro Frank
Amen Frank I agree with your point on trying to moralize society just for the sake of it. And you do bring up a good point on the BGEA taking Mormonism off their site from the list of cults during the elections. Since Franklin Graham is the CEO of BGEA it would seem he had some say so in that decision. But I have seen Franklin Graham speak boldly much truth on camera which many would shy away from. For example he has spoken out against Islam and against false teachers like Rob Bell.I believe both sides of this discussion have good merit on some points. Just my opinion.
But I have seen Franklin Graham speak boldly much truth on camera which many would shy away from. For example he has spoken out against Islam and against false teachers like Rob Bell.