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| Re: | | RE: ///I've observed in my own walk that if God notices you are beginning to idolize some preacher or theologian - no matter how gifted or anointed in the Word he happens to be - it's almost as if God will reveal a portion of his theology or some conviction of his that you will not agree with to break the spell.///
Amen, Amen that is my exact experience ! very true, very well said, very well understood ! |
| 2013/10/30 23:49 | Profile | a-servant Member
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| Re: | | How about when you idolize some "ism", would you notice?
Let's examine the basic meaning of a word, and how people relate to it:
what does for example the word 'charismatic' mean, according to merriam-webster it means:
"having an often mysterious or magical power to attract <the cult's charismatic leader had managed to persuade seemingly rational people to obey him blindly>
Synonyms: alluring, appealing, attractive, bewitching, captivating, charismatic, charming, elfin, enchanting, engaging, entrancing, fetching, glamorous (also glamourous), luring, magnetic, seductiv
Interesting example and synonyms. To understand why they chose that word with so many synonym-undertones to be the main identifier of a religious experience and tradition you would need to examine its source and historic roots. But see how it fits: Say something about charismatism, and the first thing charismatics want to know is what their charismatic leaders have to say about that. Instead what the Word of God says about it.
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| 2013/10/31 0:27 | Profile | amranger Member
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| Re: | | A-servant, why would you go to a secular source to define the word?
Here is the definition from the New Testament Greek Lexicon. The Strongs number is 5486.
Charisma:
a favour with which one receives without any merit of his own the gift of divine grace the gift of faith, knowledge, holiness, virtue the economy of divine grace, by which the pardon of sin and eternal salvation is appointed to sinners in consideration of the merits of Christ laid hold of by faith grace or gifts denoting extraordinary powers, distinguishing certain Christians and enabling them to serve the church of Christ, the reception of which is due to the power of divine grace operating on their souls by the Holy Spirit.
So we can see from this that to be Charismatic is to receive and have our lives typified by these characteristics. Every christian should want to be known as charismatic! _________________ Andrew
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| 2013/10/31 0:38 | Profile |
| Re: | | I have myself wondered why there are authors from such strongly opposing camps and consider it leads to confusion for young believers, but everywhere I see, in charismatic writings the same lack of discernment between holiness writings and charismatic/Pentecostal ones, when in past century disputes, it was very clear where the differences lay. Holiness teaching shows that the so called baptism of the Spirit in charismatic circles is not the same thing at all as it is not said to bring holy lives as its primary function. It is a fundamental difference. |
| 2013/10/31 3:09 | | a-servant Member
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| Re: | | Quote: "A-servant, why would you go to a secular source to define the word?"
A gift is a gift, and not a theology. The implied and added meanings as used by Charismatics are not the Bible's definitions, they are Strong's definitions (and others like him)
It's ok to not trust the english language to determine a word family, but why on earth would you not choose an inspired Bible and instead look for light in conflicting and uninspired Greek & Hebrew tools, made by men who denied its very truths?
Was James Strong a strong and reliable Christian? I would ask was Strong a Christian at all.
--- The Weakness of Strong's ---- http://server1.sureynot.com/uploads/audio/fNaXflaBm4oxrzufePZj.mp3
Good sermon for everyone that is interested in Bible manuscripts, translations, Bible critics and the integrity of God, without we would have no faith, no hope and no discernment.
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| 2013/10/31 6:33 | Profile |
| Re: | | I am surmising, Krautfrau, that Sermonindex does not want to publish sermons only from one camp. Their readers are from many, many camps and they want to serve as a general repository for many of these camps.
There are individual websites that exposit the views of a single camp.
My beliefs for instance are found in more than one camp. Think of SI as a library and not a church. |
| 2013/10/31 7:49 | | sermonindex Moderator
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