Does the New Testament teach that miracles have passed away? Does the New Testament teach that tongues, prophesy, healings, signs, and wonders have passed away with the canon of scripture being established?I think a discussion should be opened up on this. If the New Testament teaches that signs and wonders have ceased. Let's have a discussion. I believe many in the forum reject miracles. You must have a scriptural warrant. I am not interested in a debate. Many seem to think miracles are of the devil. So let's talk bout itI am open. If cessionism is scriptural. Then please state your case. If miracles are of the devil and many seem to believe this. Then please show me from scripture that cessionism is valid. But before I say that miracles have ceased I need to see the scriptural position.I am going to stand down from this thread I will check again in s day or two. But I really want to hear if there is a valid case for cessionism. Posted by Bearmaster.
Miracles have not ceased. We need to make sure that we tell the difference betweent he real and the fake is all.
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its hard to think that this has not been discussed on this forum b4. 'bear' doesnt want to debate but the way this is being presented will result in a debate. its being presented as: "this is what i think, this is what i think others think, i think others are wrong, now sum1 try 2 prove me wrong becuz you cant". and this is a strawman anyway becuz i have never seen any1 say miracles and healing dont happen 2day.
I know John MaCArthur is a faithful expositer of scripture. He has a high regard for the word of God. As I recall he wrote a book entitled The Charismatics. In the book he argues and quite effectively that the sign gifts and miracles have ceased. I used to hold to a cessionist position. Abandoned it. And now rethinking it. Is MacArthur's position viable? I am still interested what does the New Testament teach n this?We seem to agree that miracles are seem to be of the evil one. The safest position would be to embrace cessionism again. But seeking for more New Testament scriptures other than what is found in 1 Cor. 13.Bearmaster.
I know John MaCArthur is a faithful expisitor of scripture. He has a high regard for the word of God. As I recall he wrote a book entitled The Charismatics. In the book he argues and quite effectively that the sign gifts and miracles have ceased.
So Skeptic. I am open. What fo you say? What is your understanding of this. Play ball. Not the man. Dialogue. What do you believe the scriptures teach on this? Can you not exhibit a Berean spirit and ask what sayith the Lord.Bearmaster.
But you are speaking of a highly respected teacher of scripture. Certainly there must be some credibility to his position.Bear.
But you are speaking of a highly respected teacher of scripture.
Play ball. Not the man. Dialogue. What do you believe the scriptures teach on this? Can you not exhibit a Berean spirit and ask what sayith the Lord.
So Skeptic. I am open. What fo you say? What is your understanding of this. Play ball. Not the man. Dialogue. What do you believe the scriptures teach on this?
