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Lordoitagain Member

Joined: 2008/5/23 Posts: 632 Monroe, LA - USA
| Re: | | Repentance is agreeing with God. He HATES sin! He will not let ANY sin into heaven, regardless of one's "claims" of believing in Him. WHAT A JOKE! "I believed in you ... but I killed myself ... I didn't trust You to take care of me ... I didn't trust you to solve my problems .... I didn't trust you to fix the situation that I was in, Lord ... but You've got to let me into your heaven ... I made a profession of faith when I was only 8 years old ... "
Faith is trusting... People who trust God do not take their lives. Heaven is for believers ... people who trust God.
If you are thinking about taking your life, FACE REALITY ... You will go straight to the eternal flames of hell and scream in anguish and pain forever and ever. The torment that you are in right now cannot compare to the torment that you will experience in ONE minute of hell. There is no getting out of it. The hopelessness and despair linger on and on forever and ever.
REPENT OF YOUR SINS! Turn away from sin! Receive Jesus into your life today, and let Him cleanse you from ALL sin! Trust Him with your life. If you do not trust him with your life on earth, you CANNOT live in heaven. _________________ Michael Strickland
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2012/7/5 3:54 | Profile |
rainydaygirl Member

Joined: 2008/10/27 Posts: 742
| Re: | | Edit: I deleted my post I was wrong for coming into this thread in the first place. Killing yourself is a selfish act that demonstrates a complete lack of faith in God.
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2012/7/5 8:17 | Profile |
mguldner Member

Joined: 2009/12/4 Posts: 1862 Kansas
| Re: | | My stance on suicide is Satan's objective is to kill, steal, and destroy. If he can get you to do it yourself he won. I also feel it is a cowards way out and a complete disregard and disrespect to God the Creator. Not to mention the aftermath of it all when your family has to deal with the problems you left behind. I was once suicidal and God pricked my heart with His word. After this conviction flooded my heart the Lord spoke even deeper to me "I am not done with you yet" and thoughts of being their for my family especially my little brother came rushing in.
Do I know what happens to those people? I don't claim to know but I do know that it isn't fair to your family and friends to have to live through that. _________________ Matthew Guldner
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2012/7/5 8:25 | Profile |
ginnyrose Member

Joined: 2004/7/7 Posts: 7534 Mississippi
| Re: | | Jesus-is-God:
Amen! Ann. You said it well.
Lordoitagain wrote:
"If you do not trust him with your life on earth, you CANNOT live in heaven."
AMEN!
_________________ Sandra Miller
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2012/7/5 9:08 | Profile |
Lysa Member

Joined: 2008/10/25 Posts: 3699 East TN for now!
| Re: Why not Suicide? | | Quote:
JiG wrote: You both say that you don't believe in OSAS but you do.
Anyone that leaves the impression that suicide is acceptable to GOD is playing Russian Roullette with the souls of any vulnerable person out there and in the Tribulation, Most will be vulnerable and I asked you to think about 'that'
You are doing quite a bit of inferring here, dont you think?!! Please know that nowhere, have I ever stated that suicide is acceptable nor do I believe that I have left that impression on the impressionable. But I have stated that you cannot prove Biblically that suicide = murder.
I am more concerned about your NON-fear of condemning thousands to hell by the power of your own belief instead of what the Scriptures actually state.
Now about OSAS, I am freely admitting that the closest Ive came to believing in it was in Krispys post on the first page of this thread! (How do you like them apples?!! (huge friendly grin)) I try to deal in logic most of the time and his really made me think (part reposted below)....
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KrispyKrittr wrote: Suppose we take this logic that if someone commits suicide they cant repent therefore they can not go to heaven. (Of course we are assuming we're talking about someone who professes to be a Christian) Now... apply that logic to the following situation: You are struggling with a sin, or a sinful attitude, or sinful thoughts. You're driving down the road and BOOM... you're blindsided by a drunk. You never saw it coming.
Uh oh... no time to repent! Your goose is cooked. 20 years of walking with the Lord, but you go to hell because you couldnt repent of whatever it was that you were struggling with that day.
Surely you dont believe that.
So how can we say someone who may be dealing with emotional or mental problems that to them seem beyond their control... and in a moment of distress they take their own life... and because they cant repent of that their salvation is null and void?
I find myself in a quandary here because I cannot disagree with that logic of love; so you know what? I never thought I'd say this but perhaps you are right and I am a believer in OSAS!
God bless you, JiG! Lisa _________________ Lisa
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2012/7/5 9:58 | Profile |
rufnrust Member

Joined: 2010/1/9 Posts: 261 Indiana
| Re: | | I must say it is easier to have an opinion on this as long as we don't have to face people who have dealt with it personally.
I have shared the same thought as Krispy with people who have lost family members.
A lady I work with lost her 14 year old to suicide. I wept with her all night at work. She wants to see him again. I told her weeping, he wants to see you too, and to say he loves you. I will gladly stand before the Lord with that answer. I believe the boy is with the Lord.
The fact is God loses the fruit of a righteous life and the desiny He planned for a life when this happens. It should NEVER happen but it does.
I was in the E-Room with friends who's son had killed himself. His mother ( a close friend in the Lord) wailing at me, please tell me my son didn't go to hell! Those events have tempered my views on this troubling subject.
Thanks Russell _________________ Russell
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2012/7/5 10:20 | Profile |
Lordoitagain Member

Joined: 2008/5/23 Posts: 632 Monroe, LA - USA
| Re: | | Russell,
I have been in similar situations myself. I was with a mother whose 14-year-old had shot himself in the head from the side. He didnt die immediately. In the hospital, she was holding his hand. She told him: son, we are putting all of these things in Gods hands. When she said that, he squeezed her hand. He was otherwise totally motionless. He died shortly afterward. I of course hoped with her that in those moments before he passed from this life, in the prayers of his heart and in his mind, he confessed his sin to God and repented. We all certainly HOPE for the best, but to assure someone that their loved-one went to heaven; we take Gods place as Judge of the universe. We cant even positively give that assurance to the family of people who died naturally. In the case of suicide we take the chance of damning other souls to hell if we assure the living that the dead murderer is in heaven.
How can we be softer that what Gods word declares? Look at how Pastor Peter talked to the wife of the deceased: Acts 5:9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.
Regardless of how we in our compassion soften the blow of Gods Word, each will stand before Him and receive the proper sentence that His Word has already defined. James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Regardless of ones claim of faith, it will not stand on that day, if works of evil accompany the claim.
_________________ Michael Strickland
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2012/7/5 11:30 | Profile |
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I feel nothing but pity for you Lisa.
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2012/7/5 11:45 | |
| Re: | | I am not sure we can formulate an answer here. Depression, despair, sometimes this grips the most holy among us, and we are all totally dependent on His merciful propitiation. Only God knows. |
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2012/7/5 16:31 | |
Lysa Member

Joined: 2008/10/25 Posts: 3699 East TN for now!
| Re: rainydaygirl | | Quote:
rainydaygirl wrote: I wanted to ask Lysa and Trekker if you don't believe killing yourself is sin, or murder and that those who do kill themselves still may go to heaven how would you counsel them? If you believe a person who is miserable in this life will go to heaven even if they kill themselves how would you advise them not to do so?
Edit: I deleted my post I was wrong for coming into this thread in the first place. Killing yourself is a selfish act that demonstrates a complete lack of faith in God.
I know you deleted your post, but I have kept it open in a word document working on it while working, sleeping and cooking!! I hope you do not mind me replying to it now.
I agree thoroughly that suicide is a lack of faith in God but instead of hyper-focusing on a persons lack of faith and condemning them to hell for it; wouldnt it far better to ask what war is (or was) going on in that persons life that so over took their mind? Because honestly I do not believe that someone who takes their own life CAN BE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND. (Im not yelling, just providing an exclamation for that point!)
I have counseled with those contemplating suicide. Number one, I was honest with them that had I gone through with my own plans, I did not know where I would have gone eternally. I didnt tell them this but to be quite honest, rdg, I was hurting so bad I didnt care where I would go, so I can say that sadly, THAT is not what kept me from taking my life.
There were a few reasons but the main one was a vision that Christ gave me one night of where I was in the scheme of this world and how in my minds eye, I couldnt see around the corner but He was in a jumbo jet and could see to the end of my life; and He showed me that it was all going to be ok.
I will be honest with you, I am not stuck in the mud on this, if my Jesus shows me that I am wrong on this, I will change what I believe and shout it from the rooftops!
Until then, God bless you, Lisa _________________ Lisa
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2012/7/5 17:33 | Profile |