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Between "not exceeding what is written" and "just explore it anyway"
You've taken my words out of context. This is not about exploring how dogs bark or how people like to quack like ducks and slither around on the floor like a snake. That sir is not what I was saying.
I am telling John that I explored it and it was helpful. I am not telling you since you don't believe it. It helped me during my time. I had no devils cast out of me, or anything like that. God was in this, as I said, it helped me get beyond certain things. I wanted God and I was leery about anything that might look like it was deceiving.
You went right into casting out devils, and I didn't say anything about that, you just assumed that that is what I am talking about, I am not. I said "Cast Off" the besetting sin.
You seem to have opened your door to him, he's your project, then instruct him.
But John don't be afraid of the other, you'll be alright. |
| 2012/7/5 16:14 | |
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This is not about exploring how dogs bark or how people like to quack like ducks and slither around on the floor like a snake. That sir is not what I was saying.
No, I agree. You were not promoting any of those things. However, what you did promote was the same path that led people to these things. The "It can't be validated Scripturally, but try it out anyway because it worked for me" path.
That's how these things start. Even though as a Spirit filled believer we are no longer under any curse, we just "explore a family curse prayer"
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It's just a prayer that is offered over the person to cut off anything that might be attacking him from his family line.
and not only go beyond God's Word, but make Him out to be just a little bit of a liar in the process.
"I know Your Word says I'm not under any curse, but I'm just going to pray something to get the family demons off of me anyway, just in case Your Word can't be taken at full face value."
This is how one begins their journey down THAT particular aforementioned path.
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You seem to have opened your door to him, he's your project, then instruct him.
Interesting way of wording it. I'm just troubled when I see any brother who's struggling given advice that doesn't fully jive with Scripture, no matter if it "works" or not. If I've misunderstood you then I'm quite sorry, but I've also seen you give others the advice of exploring something not found in the Bible on other threads in the past, so I'm taking my chances. No personal ill will intended, bro.
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| 2012/7/5 22:26 | |
| Re: | | The Only way that any of us are going to make it in the days ahead, is to stay with Scripture Only. I could never fault anyone for having that motive. Our GOD will Bless and annoit that sole purpose when it's in our hearts. HE is "The Word of GOD" and His Spirit is given for the sole purpose of leading us into all Truth and not to speak of Himself. Amazing mystery. His Spirit is The Spirit of Truth. John 16:13,14
Jesus Bless!
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| 2012/7/5 22:56 | |
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The Only way that any of us are going to make it in the days ahead, is to stay with Scripture Only.
I couldn't agree more. |
| 2012/7/5 23:04 | | SonsofLevi Member

Joined: 2008/10/21 Posts: 107 Richmond, Va. USA
| Re: tormented by demons need urgent prayer | | Hey Brother. I sympathize with you. I have been through this. I would recommend two books that the Lord has blessed the Church with that will help with your deliverance. One is "War on the Saints" by Jessie Penn-Lewis and the other is "The Spiritual Man" by Watchman Nee. In the mean time, ask God for light, He will give it. The Lord Jesus would have you to not doubt His Love and Faithfulness. Stand by faith on the finished work of Christ on Calvary, write down key scriptures in Romans 6 and don't be afraid to use them, but definitely believe the Word and stand by faith on it. God will give light to any ground that the enemy took, that you might take back that ground. The enemy hates God's light so it may get a little worse at first when He exposes the enemy, but press on and trust Jesus, He will help you through this. Don't let fear control you and keep you focusing on the enemy. You have to look to Jesus on the throne. _________________ R. Evan Gombach
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| 2012/7/6 0:09 | Profile | Trekker Member

Joined: 2011/7/29 Posts: 683 northern USA
| Re: | | QUOTE: "my dad the only thing i have seen him do is either mess around on the computer or watch tv, but he is fascinated with the supernatural like ghosts, aliens and bigfoot etc. My brother is someone on the other had i do not know, it is possible. My sisters use to live here to and actually i am in the room that they use to live in, i know they are also fascinated in the unknown and were big fans of the harry potter movie."==BIBLE4LIFE
John, you really need to investigate this and MAKE SURE. If your father is "fascinated" by those things as you say then he may well be dabbling in something as well. It is a fascination with the occult that seduces people into it, and pretty much without exception. Harry Potter, btw, is demonic. It is witchcraft and reportedly the very names of actual demons (known to satanism and witchcraft) are used in the books. Your sisters may have dabbled in something in their room(s), while the door was closed, that you know nothing about. Whether it was calling on spirits or using a Ouija Board or conducting a seance and testing to see if any of it worked, whathaveyou. It could have been something you consider relatively benign. It could have been reading the astrology pages of the newspaper or such a book or them playing with YOUR tarot cards (and THEM not having repented of it), etc. The devil doesn't play fair, he uses whatever he can to ensnare. ALL dabbling in occult of ANY kind if SO very dangerous. King Saul dabbled only ONE time and he was dead, along with his entire family, by the next day. |
| 2012/7/6 4:17 | Profile | Trekker Member

Joined: 2011/7/29 Posts: 683 northern USA
| Re: | | QUOTE: "Don't bother with Joyce. You hit the nail on the head that she is a false teacher. Her message is the same as E.W. Kenyon came up with that all the rest of the faith prosperity teachers promote. "==EVERESTOSAMA
John, once again Everestosama has given you sound advice. Just because a million dumb and blind people praise her does not mean that you should read her book. A lot of people also praise Harry Potter books and a lot of people also play with tarot cards and so forth.That is not using discernment and wisdom. Joyce Meyer has shown by her lifestyle and her books that she is all about money and prosperity.
There are a couple of books by William Schnoebelen that give a good listing of occult activities and artifacts, as well as false religions, to avoid. The book titles are:
1. Lucifer Dethroned (Bill's testimony of how he turned from satanism & witchcraft to Christianity) 2. The Blood on the Doorpost
You can find these books probably on Amazon or thru his own website: www.withoneaccord.org
They give a pretty thorough listing of things to repent of. He also avoids attributing everything in life to a demon.
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| 2012/7/6 4:25 | Profile | Myst Member

Joined: 2012/7/22 Posts: 32
| Re: tormented by demons need urgent prayer | | John, If you are still paying attention to this thread:
Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.
Isaiah 5:13 Therefore my people are gone into captivity, because they have no knowledge
The conventional church has for the most part rejected spirituality. Spiritual warfare, while very much discussed in the New Testament is barely mentioned in the church.
Christ had to contend with Satan in the Wilderness.
Jesus looked Peter straight in the eyes, and said, "Get behind me, Satan."
The Garden experience of Christ clearly shows a case in which the very Messiah was oppressed by Satan.
In almost every case in Jesus' ministry, those from whom He expelled the demonic were "children of Abraham", as are we:
Luke 13:16 And ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan hath bound, lo, these eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the sabbath day?
The Greek word translated "possession", is actually "demonization". Why would the satanic possess and oppress the ungodly? The already have them. Their enemy are believers, true believers, who have at least a beginning of understanding of godly spirituality. By rejecting spirituality, the conventional church has also already resigned to a powerless form of godliness, and are generally outside the spiritual warfare that confronts the true believers.
Repeatedly, repeatedly Paul instructs believers of the imperative of spiritual warfare. John (the disciple) focused much attention on our need to discern and overcome the satanic. James, Peter, and Jude all mention the satanic. Jesus speaks of it thoroughly in the book of Revelations. The true believer is warned to resist Satan, and much more.
Suddenly with the advent and popularity of secular Christianity, Satan and his demons have all vanished, except for a few who have fled to Africa or Asia.
Much of Jesus' ministry was in dealing with the demonic. And He promised, "Joh 14:12 Truly, truly, I say to you, He who believes on Me, the works that I do he shall do also, and greater works than these he shall do, because I go to My Father." If He dealt with the demonic, we should expect to share in that same ministry, "the works that I do he shall do also". He promised the same in the great commission, "And miraculous signs will follow to those believing these things: in My name they will cast out demons," Mark 16:17.
Jesus warned, when a demon is expelled, they will return with others more powerful than the first. Similarly, Jesus warned the healed man to sin no more, lest something worse came upon him. Also, the woman caught in adultery was told to go and sin no more. Whether the case is demonization, sickness, or forgiveness, it is all the same, it is our ministry to do, and those delivered from whatever can revert to that condition ... as is often spoken of in the New Covenant Scriptures.
Instead of referring an oppressed soul to the doctor first, they should be freed from their darkness, their demonic bondage. Not having spiritual discernment or spiritual authority, then we can only refer such a one to a doctor or, worse, a psychiatrist.
Those who have dealt with the demonic successfully clearly understand the spiritual dynamics involved. How sad that for lack of knowledge, just as Hosea and Isaiah related, we are destroyed and kept in bondage.
John, if you still look at this thread, know this. The solution to your problem, is not far off. I have been exposed to many wannabe exorcists and know the futility of that route. But just as there are many empty leaders in Chritianity, so there are in spiritual Christianity. Deceivers abound; always have and always will. It is the deceived you must be wary of.
The everliving Christ, Who changes not and is the same yesterday, today, and forever, is at hand to deliver us from all things evil, whatever it is.
For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power. -1 Corinthians 4:20
If our gospel is hidden, it is hidden to those who are lost, in whom the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving ones, so that the light of the glorious gospel of Christ (Who is the image of God) should not dawn on them. -2 Corinthians 4:3,4
The Gospel of Christ covered all He did in His ministry ... the healing of the body, deliverance from evil, as well as salvation of the soul. When we reject any of this, WE are among the blinded. Ditto for those who can not bring the Gospel into fruition. The church must compare itself with Scripture, repent, believe, and seek restoration.
Everyone who hears these sayings of Mine and does not do them shall be compared to a foolish man who built his house on the sand. And the rain came down, and the floods came, and the wind blew and beat on that house. And it fell, and great was its fall. -Matthew 7:26,27
Note: In all of this, I first confess and condemn my own shortcomings and blindness. _________________ Robert Sands
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| 2012/7/25 15:33 | Profile |
| Re: | | Hey I just took a look at found your response today. I was going to give an update at first, but changed my mind, but i guess i will anyways. I did not pick up joyce meyers book after all, i don't think that is the issue completely. I don't know if my heart has become blind to the truth because of satan or myself and my sin, but i know that my faith over the past few years has slowly started falling from what it once was and the Holy Spirit i dont hear from anymore. I have been doing better trying to trust God alone, but my faith is really taking hit as i have got better physically and mentally. |
| 2012/7/25 17:49 | |
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The Greek word translated "possession", is actually "demonization". Why would the satanic possess and oppress the ungodly? The already have them. Their enemy are believers, true believers, who have at least a beginning of understanding of godly spirituality. By rejecting spirituality, the conventional church has also already resigned to a powerless form of godliness, and are generally outside the spiritual warfare that confronts the true believers.
If you like Greek studies, it's an interesting one to look up the word "ekballō" (to cast out) which is the word used when talking about those who had a demon dwelling in them that was cast out.
Check the usage in the New Testament, and see how many times that word is used in relation to demons in Spirit-filled believers.
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