Tell me what you think of it when you do listen, John. If you want to speak off the forum my email is in my profile, and if you want to talk in person there are a few ways I can call the U.S. from here. Let me know, bro.

PS: I didn't pick up anything harsh in your tone or whatever, so no need to apologize for anything.

I count it a true blessing that when I had physical demonic attacks years ago that I had no one to talk to about them. I had nothing to hope in and none to set my eyes on but the Lord and he delivered me without a minister.That was a true deliverance.

Some years later I feared it had come back, and my experience was much like Linda's- I sought out help from every side but didn't have the instantaneous freedom that I expected. Instead, it was gradual, as I learned to bring my thoughts into captivity and grew in the knowledge of Jesus all while also seeing a Dr. and even a Christian counselor. Both were helpful in bringing some things to light- and as I gave them over to the Lord, little by little I saw my freedom.
God will use all things together for the good of those who love Him and are called according to His purposes! Don't be discouraged and think that you have to find someone more spiritual than you to discern so that you can be free. God is more than able to deliver you on His own and in His time. I truly can testify to that! (Isaiah 54:16-17)

QUOTE: "The power of Christ is just that. Power. He doesn't deliver someone simply to let them instantly become oppressed again. We only see demons in the New Testament returning to abodes that were not instead filled with Christ."==EVERESTOSAMA



Amen to that. I agree with everything else Everest said too.
I would listen to him, as he often gives sound advice.

Um, as to those experiences with feeling like something outside of you is trying to twist your head/neck or hitting you in back of head....is ANYONE in your household involved in the occult--even possibly? Your parents? Your wife? Siblings? Even if not presently, how about in the past? Cuz this sounds a lot like the HOUSE may be possessed, not you. And due to your connection with the house and anyone who has practiced some form of occultism there you may be receiving harrassment perhaps? How long has your family lived there?

I understand what you mean about not FEELING like praising the Lord at times but do it even if you don't feel it at those times, OUT LOUD. Think of it as a sword, think of it as striking back at the devil (as in waging war, not revenge). It is important for the devil to know that EVERY time it harrasses you the LORD will receive praise. It is written, God inhabits the praises of His people. I take this to mean that praise brings God's presence down and if God's presence is near the devil will flee in fear.

Anyway, maybe you need to check into the history of the house or maybe you don't know everything one of your parents may be into?? It could be something you have completely overlooked or something you are not even aware of your mother or someone dabbling in, past or present. Seriously, that is what this is beginning to sound like...

Trekker i have prayed about this and my house and even the people in it and those who use to live here. My wife and i do not do anything at all with the occult, my mom i pretty sure doesnt either, my dad the only thing i have seen him do is either mess around on the computer or watch tv, but he is fascinated with the supernatural like ghosts, aliens and bigfoot etc. My brother is someone on the other had i do not know, it is possible. My sisters use to live here to and actually i am in the room that they use to live in, i know they are also fascinated in the unknown and were big fans of the harry potter movie. I don't know if they ever did anything here while they lived here at all, i will pray about it again. As far as the people before we lived here i don't know exactly. Before Christ came in my life almost 9 years i did go to a psychic and brought a candle home that i used to pray with and did use to pray with angel tarot cards. Also i use to try to communicate with angels which would have been considered spirit guides, but i confessed those sins and renounced them and even got rid of the material. I don't know, pray for me about this. Yes i will try to listen to the advice already given.

That is what i am starting to believe that Christ is the only one to deliver me, he has many times, it is just this one trial he seems to be very silent. I actually was recommended battlefield of the mind by joyce meyer. I know that she is considered a false teacher, but it seems her book got a lot of praises and i noticed their is a lot of scripture verses that might be able to help me. But, anyways i can only just hope the lord will do something soon.

Double phone post.

Don't bother with Joyce. You hit the nail on the head that she is a false teacher. Her message is the same as E.W. Kenyon came up with that all the rest of the faith prosperity teachers promote.

I.E. Satan got the victory on the cross and immediately after the crucifixion Christ spent three days in hell where He became of one satanic nature with the devil until he was reborn in hell (I'm not making this stuff up either, Google it, crazy stuff).

You're going to get a lot more Biblically sound advice even on this thread than from a book written by someone with such a low and perverse Christology who said that, "Unless you believe Jesus went to hell, you can't go to heaven." (non-verbatim)

I posted this to John:

You must make contact with Jesus, and experience His love. Possibly your doctrine has led you top believe that the Holy Spirit does not manifest Himself; I do not know.

Have you been baptised in the Holy Spirit? Born again from above?..read Charles Finney, and his struggle, and his mighty baptism of Love he experienced. Many, many here have had the exact same experience; it is not all in the mind, or in the doctrine...it is actually in the Spirit.
I have, and every day experience Him, mostly in mercies.

So have many brothers and sisters on this forum. You do not seem to find Him in this way.

I say this as reality, not judgment. You must trust in Him, and you must seek Him; another cannot do it for you, deliver you in faith to salvation. Others may pray that you be healed, but cannot walk your walk.

Have you received a dogmatic teaching that this mighty baptism is not of God, and from the devil? If so, repent , and trust God to give you this gift of the holy Spirit, that all of the apostles, and the multitudes of the early church received.[ I am not talking about speaking in tongues here..]


Bible4Life replied:Hey Brothertom. My understanding at least of the baptism of the Holy Spirit was that once you are saved that the Holy Spirit comes to dwell in you and that it is possible the Lord will i increase the power of the Spirit in you with more revelation and strength, that God's spirit is infinite and unsearchable he can fill you with more and more of his Spirit.

I have never experienced the baptism that you talk about, but am open to the real baptism ...not the one i have seen that produces people being supposedly slain in the spirit where they run around in circles out of control and speak in tongues in the congregation without an interpreter, or the supposed holy laughter.
I dont think that is of the Lord."

Brothertom's reply:... You say that you are "Open" to this Baptism, and you will not seek it I suppose, but yet immediately attack it as mostly giddy and false, and then justify your Dogma has how it has to be. IE: just growing more and more. This is the doctrine I was speaking of, the doctrine that says that all of the gifts are false, as is the Baptism. It is prevalent in the Baptist Denominations, and most Evangelical churches.

I said nothing of these bizarre manifestations. I spoke of Charles Finney, who received the real thing, and shook America at her roots with his holy ministry. His published account of his quest to find God is written in autobiographical style, and has been highly published.

Did you know that Charles Finney was in the ministry before this experience? He was a devout, praying Christian. He was not seeking it per-se', but the Face of God, because he knew he was lacking in his walk; he was desperate.

Did you know that after this mighty encounter of "Baptism of Love" that Charles Finney confessed that all of the years that he believed he was saved, were false; that he was not saved before that event?; Read the account.

Finney was desperate, as you are. He sought God in deep repentance; ashamed and religious, he laid in a secret place in a field seeking, crying out that God would meet Him. He did.

John, I have not bore witness of this Presence in you, in our many talks and prayers. You always express your torment and desperate need; continually. I do not think that man is able to help you; you must find this healing in God alone. Read Finneys struggle, and John Bunyan's too; very similar.

I could give you my testimony too; it is similar. God Baptised me in Love on a street corner over 40 years ago. I immediately began to share that love, and people were converted to Christ.

These evil spirits may be allowed to attack you, but not to remain so; they cannot dwell with the Holy Spirit, and they are not allowed to torment you.

"There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love."

The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is the experience of perfect love invading the sinner; making him one in union with love. Seek God and repent unto brokeness and tarry there until He comes John, and He will. Jesus is waiting and wants you.