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ginnyrose
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| | PREPARING FOR THE UNDERGROUND CHURCH by Richard Wurmbrand | | Many years ago when Richard Wurmbrand was head of "Jesus to the Communist World" they issued a series of tapes titled "How to Form an Underground Church" or something like that. We have these tapes - somewhere, still. I was hoping SI would have these recordings in their archives but I could not find it there.
I went online and found what appears to be a transcript of these talks. Richard gave it to a gathering of believers in Mozambique,I think, as they were looking at possible persecution coming to their country in the near future. This presentation was given many years ago but believe it to be just as informative for us today as it was back then.
Here is the link:
http://richardwurmbrandbio.info/prepare.html
In his talk he instructs how a Believer can/must prepare for persecution. Very insightful...I would encourage all to check this out.
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| | Re: PREPARING FOR THE UNDERGROUND CHURCH by Richard Wurmbrand | | Thank you so much for posting this. |
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Online! | | Re: | | This is very important:
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TRUTH ABOUT THE TRUTH
How much each one of us can suffer depends on how much he is bound up with a cause, how dear this cause is to him, and how much it means for him.
In this respect we have had in Communist countries very big surprises. There have been gifted preachers and writers of Christian books who have become traitors. The composer of the best hymnal of Romania became the composer of the best communist hymnal of Romania. Everything depends on whether we have remained in the sphere of words or if we are merged with the divine realities.
God is the Truth. The Bible is the truth about the Truth. Theology is the truth about the truth about the Truth. A good sermon is the truth about the truth about the truth, about the Truth It is not the Truth. The Truth is God alone. Around this Truth there is a scaffolding of words, of theologies, and of exposition. None of these is of any help in times of suffering. It is only the Truth Himself Who is of help, and we have to penetrate through sermons, through theological books, through everything which is 'words' and be bound up with the reality of God Himself.
I have told in the West how Christians were tied to crosses for four days and four nights. The crosses were put on the floor and other prisoners were tortured and made to fulfill their bodily necessities upon the faces and the bodies of the crucified ones. I have since been asked: "Which Bible verse helped and strengthened you in those circumstances?" My answer is: "NO Bible verse was of any help." It is sheer cant and religious hypocrisy to say, "This Bible verse strengthens me, or that Bible verse helps me." Bible verses alone are not meant to help.
We knew Psalm 23 - "The Lord is my Shepherd; I shall not want... though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death...." When you pass through suffering you realize that it was never meant by God that Psalm 23 should strengthen you. It is the Lord who can strengthen you, not the Psalm which speaks of Him so doing. It is not enough to have the Psalm. You must have the One about whom the Psalm speaks. We also knew the verse: "My Grace is sufficient for thee." But the verse is not sufficient. It is the Grace which is sufficient and not the verse.
Pastors and zealous witnesses who are handling the Word as a calling from God are in danger of giving holy words more value than they really have. Holy words are only the means to arrive at the reality expressed by them. If you are united with the Reality, the Lord Almighty, evil loses its power over you; it cannot break the Lord Almighty. If you only have the words of the Lord Almighty you can be very easily broken.
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| | Re: | | The truth that is found only in Jesus himself. For he Saud I am the truth.
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ginnyrose
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| | Re: | | QUOTE:
"Holy words are only the means to arrive at the reality expressed by them. If you are united with the Reality, the Lord Almighty, evil loses its power over you; it cannot break the Lord Almighty. If you only have the words of the Lord Almighty you can be very easily broken."
This section on "Truth" has had a profound impact on me for years...
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| | Re: | | "How much each one of us can suffer depends on how much he is bound up with a cause, how dear this cause is to him, and how much it means for him.
In this respect we have had in Communist countries very big surprises. There have been gifted preachers and writers of Christian books who have become traitors. The composer of the best hymnal of Romania became the composer of the best communist hymnal of Romania. Everything depends on whether we have remained in the sphere of words or if we are merged with the divine realities.
God is the Truth. The Bible is the truth about the Truth. Theology is the truth about the truth about the Truth. A good sermon is the truth about the truth about the truth, about the Truth It is not the Truth. The Truth is God alone. Around this Truth there is a scaffolding of words, of theologies, and of exposition. None of these is of any help in times of suffering. It is only the Truth Himself Who is of help, and we have to penetrate through sermons, through theological books, through everything which is 'words' and be bound up with the reality of God Himself."
Awesome quote. When I think of how many threads we have had trying to convey these points, and here brother Richard simply outlines the fact that without Jesus burning at the center of your heart, without the passion for someone you actually know ( Jesus) you would never survive the storm. He rightly seperates words from the reality of Jesus. Without the reality of Jesus burning in the center of your heart, all words carry no meaning..............bro Frank
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ginnyrose
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| | Re: PREPARING FOR THE UNDERGROUND CHURCH by Richard Wurmbrand | | As I read through this article, I felt as though it was a condensed version of Richard's talks on this subject. After doing a more thorough search I found what appears to be the longer version. Here is the link to the site:
http://preparingfortheundergroundchurchbook.blogspot.com/
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| | Re: PREPARING FOR THE UNDERGROUND CHURCH by Richard Wurmbrand | | thank you
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Lysa
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ginnyrose wrote:
Many years ago when Richard Wurmbrand was head of "Jesus to the Communist World" they issued a series of tapes titled "How to Form an Underground Church" or something like that. We have these tapes - somewhere, still.
Ginny,
If you find these tapes, I know that there are several on this site who can digitize those tapes for those of us who would love to hear them (me for one! (grammar?)) and maybe Greg could post them!
Just a thought, God bless!!
Lisa
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I used the quote button but nothing was inserted. Hmmm. I will type it out by hand...
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appolus wrote:
Awesome quote. When I think of how many threads we have had trying to convey these points,
I thought the same thing brother when reading this!!
God bless,
Lisa
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