Lee, you don't understand love, do you?As I told Brother Gary earlier, I love you in The LORD. It's His Love that He's put into my heart for everyone, not mine - and yes, for everyone - so I cannot pray that over you nor anyone else here. I read your post and went offline and shed tears for you.I pray that the goodness of GOD and His Mercy follow you all the days of your life and I give you my permission to continue to pray His utmost severity of His judgment over me for as long as you feel that you need to - Amen, and Amen!
You're blinded by hatred, Joe and that's a fact.The reason your "prayer" doesn't cause me fear is because I've prayed that same prayer over myself for most of my saved life. That GOD would judge me in anyway that He sees fit in this life so that I would not have to face Him with things that I hadn't given over to Him while alive. I've been Post-trib also since the mid-80's so I'll also pray that you'll remain strong in the days ahead. Perfect love casts out all fear!Now, I think you are wasting someone else's web-space with your own personal problems with me that only began once I disagreed with you over "obedience" through a later email and a thread on obedience to GOD - before that - your first PM to me was calling me "Deborah" [which I do not believe than or now] and our emails were friendly -- so I find you a bit unstable and I can't be a party to using up someone else's forum for anymore answers of this type. Please try to pull it together Lee and see when this hatred of yours started, as you've been reminded enough times on this website through similar dialoges with me. I won't be able to reply to you again in good conscience. This is a waste of webspace and precious time.Take care of you.
And Joe, when Mao took over China, many believers who were brought up on pretrib gave up their faith and turned away from Jesus. Pray tell may you not be one if them.Bearnaster.
Of the 44 times that "doctrine" is mentioned, here's just a few. 2Timothy was Paul's last letter as he prepared from prison to be martyred.1Ti 4:13 Till I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine. 1Ti 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee. 2Ti 3:16,17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. 2Ti 4:2-8 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry. For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand. I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing. -------------------------------------------------------2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. I left this one off of the list that mention "all men" and "the world".Thank you, Brother Solomon, for a calm yet passionate for souls post.
"Whoever shall now contend that it is unjust to put heretics and blasphemers to death, knowingly and willingly incur their guilt. It is not human authority that speaks, it is God who speaks and prescribes a perpetual rule for His Church." John Calvin
It is not human authority that speaks, it is God who speaks and prescribes a perpetual rule
WOW! I do not know how many times I have heard people say "you Calvinist always attack everyone who do not agree with you!" From what I have read here, and other posts, it seems the anger is the other way around. Bottom line - Does man have the right to say what God can and cannot do? Does man have the right to declare God has no right to have sovereign control over Everything? Does the creation have any right to question or challenge the creator? Some of the responses on this thread have been out to left field, they have twisted and altered the original post and this conversation is going nowhere.It seems some rather rely on the early church fathers to make their claims opposed to scripture. If we go far enough back, prior to reformation, we might as well declare catholicism is the correct way to go if we want to reply on this method. I for one can no longer be on this forum as it does not promote revival......May the Lord continue to grow those who have a heart to grow and may the original article provide answers for those who are searching.
Onesetfree, you posted an article that begins it's aim specifically at "Arminians" and then wonder with a "Wow" why there are the responses that there are.Please know, that I would love to have just one thread that debates these differences using "Scripture Only" as well, and have asked for such within this thread.On a forum that I was on before I found SI, we were not allowed to do anything BUT use Scripture in our discussions. There were rules of debate and that's what they were called. There was even a section where only two people would be allowed to 'debate' their opposing view-points but that website closed down for some reason. It was strictly theological discussions and the discussions went very well.Nothing is more of a grace grower and a help to our own Biblical knowledge than to discuss His Word together - but the debates that arise here get very personal.The only reason the ECFs were brought up is because I found two quotes from Calvinist Authors that stated that eternal security was not known to the Church before Calvin, so I did a search, typing "early church fathers - eternal security" into the search engine and came up with more than I could post on just this one aspect of Calvinism and more than I could possibly post here on the other teachings. That one statement, written by two Calvinist Authors, stating that this doctrine was unknown to the early church, prior to Calvin, was what launched me onto a two entire day and night search on the foundations of Calvinism - but I'd gladly discuss this Sola Scriptura and would look forward to the same debate rules that I was exposed to and adhered to in the past.eta: clarity
And Joe, when Mao took over China, many believers who were brought up on pretrib gave up their faith and turned away from Jesus.
Pray tell may you not be one if them.
Onesetfree,Thanks for your OP and your LP...much appreciated! Spurgeon was not only passionate about doctrine,but passionate about souls. I'd like to answer your questions in your LP.Ques. 1) "Does man have the right to say what God can and cannot do?" Answer: NOQues. 2) "Does man have the right to declare God has no right to have sovereign control over Everything?" Answer: NOQues. 3) "Does the creation have any right to question or challenge the creator?" Answer: NOHow did I do? Did I get them right?You then wrote,"I for one can no longer be on this forum as it does not promote revival."Please don't go! Don't leave angrily. And as far as this forum promoting revival or no, neither you nor I can thoroughly answer that. But it may very well be that it indeed is promoting revival in the hearts of some. Unlike the Rodney Howard Browns' of today, I do believe that Revival IS a Sovereign move of God. May God move Sovereignly, even as He did in Genesis 1:2, and has done from the beginning, and shall do to eternity.And I am certain that your prayer, "May the Lord continue to grow those who have a heart to grow and may the original article provide answers for those who are searching", is heard and even answered, "And this is the boldness which we have before Him, that if we should be requesting anything according to his will, He is hearing us. And since we know that He hears us, whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests which we have requested from Him." 1 John 5:14,15I know the LORD is answering that prayer in my own heart,and am persuaded that He's doing the same in others'.So be not discouraged...take heart!
Joe, you quoted Bearmaster's post to you and then drag me into it - so may I ask why?