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soulrider
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Sorry I went to the pastor I have a relationship with, the overseer they call a prophet at the church I don't know all that well.

To me fruit isn't what you do as much as the meekness, humility, servant hood, that is the fruit I look for, not how many countries we go too. The ground is level at the cross. We all share the same credentials Jesus Christ and him crucified.

I think the communication breakdown here is I am thinking about preaching and teaching simply what's in the bible, a lot of this teaching requires so much more explanation and leaves so much room for confusion and error to the hearers.

With that being said I understand what you are saying above.

Oh and really do we need to dig up my personal sin from years ago on a public forum? I think you are crossing a line brother. I've nothing to hide because the lamb has set me free.


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Joe

 2012/5/15 22:44Profile
jimp
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dear soulrider, the fruit of mary's womb was Jesus. the fuit of a church is converts(disciples). the fruit of a mans labors are results(profits) the fruit of the Holy Spirit is love,joy ,peace...etc. the fruit of the Spirit is only judged in the growth of an individual like long suffering.jimp

 2012/5/15 23:00Profile









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James
from the same mouth come both blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not to be this way.
Blessing on you soul rider!

 2012/5/15 23:47









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Oh and really do we need to dig up my personal sin from years ago on a public forum? I think you are crossing a line brother. I've nothing to hide because the lamb has set me free.



He has definitely crossed the line.

What somebody WAS is never to be thrown in their face, what somebody IS however should be subject to scrutiny.

Would you mind throwing up a link to the church website? Or if not, maybe a copy/paste of a statement of faith along with the way of salvation described from the site. It will be pretty easy to tell which side the truth is on with a little examination.

OJ

 2012/5/16 1:09









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http://sermon3a.tscnyc.ws/2011/mp3g/20111218S2.mp3


Listen to this sermon, God frees us from our past.

 2012/5/16 10:01
PhoenixDBR
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Sorry I went to the pastor I have a relationship with, the overseer they call a prophet at the church I don't know all that well.



You haven't had a conversation with the man who said this from the pulpit. He's available for you. I'm just trying to encourage you to have conversations. How long of a conversation did you have with J.O.?

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To me fruit isn't what you do as much as the meekness, humility, servant hood, that is the fruit I look for, not how many countries we go too. The ground is level at the cross. We all share the same credentials Jesus Christ and him crucified.



"To me" is where you always go, and is the whole point of joining a church. Those who don't commit to a church isolate themselves and make their own conclusions without the challenge of what happens when you establish full Koinonia with a brother or sister in Christ. I am referencing both the fruits of the spirit (Love, Joy, Peace) as well as the fruit of the persons character (lack of Habitual sin, sound mind, etc.). I never said it was based on how many countries we go to, so I don't know why you even mentioned that. We have said time and time again that being mission minded has to do with everyday life, the 50 weeks of the year you are in America not just the 2 weeks abroad! Our guest pastor that came to talk about church planting mentioned this 2-3 times. And how do you see "meekness" or "humility" in a person? How do you find that fruit in someone? By what they say or do right? How else can you tell where a person is at?

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I think the communication breakdown here is I am thinking about preaching and teaching simply what's in the bible, a lot of this teaching requires so much more explanation and leaves so much room for confusion and error to the hearers.



What has been preached is in the bible. "requiring explanation" translates to me as "requires thought, requires questions, requires desire" which are all great things. Jesus preached parables as well as mixed verses from the OT.

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Oh and really do we need to dig up my personal sin from years ago on a public forum? I think you are crossing a line brother. I've nothing to hide because the lamb has set me free.



I apologize if it wasn't "Vague" enough but I was using it to make a point. I couldn't without pointing it out. Just as much as you are posting here on a public forum declaring a church's doctrine as that of demons. I have yet to call you or your train of thought a demon. I won't.

And while we are going there you once again missed the point in my Copy&Paste of Wilkerson accusations. I didn't do it to put him or you down but to make a point. Your 13 pages was 90% "other peoples opinions" copied and Pasted and written as your own thoughts. If we go far enough on the internet, we will find people who can call out and dispute any church, any christian band, any preacher. You simply went around finding those that agreed with you and used it as support. I know it feels validating when you find someone who agrees with you, but what you should have done is directly quoted that which you are against with biblical references, printed it out, and spoke one-on-one in person.



I hope you can see the points being made. You are coming off very defensive for someone who is on the offense. You keep reminding us/me how you will stick to repentance for sins daily (as if we don't...) and that you can read scripture instead of verbalizing it and it still has an affect on you (which we agree with).



Rbanks, I love what you wrote here. I don't think I was all that successful below in explaining what I meant but Rbanks put it much better here:

https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=44641&forum=36&0


I still love you even though you are making me go crazy writing this all out, and I still want to talk one-on-one in person like what was recommended by me for you and VJ.

 2012/5/16 10:08Profile
soulrider
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I would post the churches Statement of Faith, if they had one on their website. This was actually something I brought up as well with the pastor and emailed him a statement of faith to put up there.

Since it was brought up - I will share this testimony with those on this board to encourage others, if possible.

As a child I discovered pornography. It was a lust problem that was there from as long as I could remember. After years of struggling with this back and forth, a habitual sin - it stayed with me even into my marriage, although I hid it from her. Finally God told me - you must tell her, confess your sins one to another! A few years ago I confessed my struggle of masturbation and pornography with her by writing a letter of confession and leaving in shame - the next day I came back and we sought counseling, it was painful at first and we wept and prayed together, but God kept her held in his arms and now to this day I am freed from both of those sins completely - praise God. He is able to keep us blameless and biblically as ONE! Both of us have been involved in a married couples Bible study for the past 5 years, at times we even co-lead it.

I am convinced that our Lord is more interested in what we are becoming in Him than in what we are doing for Him.

Thank you all for your prayers, the Holy Spirit really ministered to me this morning and I'm sure it's from you all praying! Many thanks!


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 2012/5/16 11:29Profile









 Re: Need Doctrinal help ASAP: Don't look back.

"Therefore, our faith will only be effective as we confess with our mouths, from a believing heart, all the good things which belong to us as believers in Jesus."..soulrider's overseer's teaching.

This has it's roots in the Word of Faith heresy: Here is a good piece from Clete Hux at:http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/wf-10.txt

"A number of the prosperity teachers believe that the
spiritual world controls and continually forms the physical
world. So, if one can learn to control the spiritual world,
then he can learn to control the physical world as well.
This teaching then becomes the foundation for securing
individual prosperity."....He then quotes Charles Capps,a prominent teacher in the movement.

That's why in "Releasing the Ability of God," Capps states,
"You can have what you say!... (because) the powerful force
of the spiritual world that creates the circumstances around us is controlled by the words of the mouth. This force comes from inside us... the confession of our mouth will cause you to possess it!"

This is nothing less than Babylonian witchcraft, where man becomes a god unto himself....BT

Hux continues:
This is why he teaches, "Discipline your vocabulary," and "today your word is god over your circumstances." (pp.101-104).

"Capps also teaches that the power within a Christian,within one's spirit, functions according to unchangeable laws. He says "These principles of faith are based on spiritual laws.

!!!!"They work for whosoever will apply these laws."!!!!!
Charles Capps.


This should raise the hair of your head in shock! This reduces God Almighty's power to feeble mankind's lust, and that is exactly what witchcraft is based on...BT

Soulrider's teaching elder goes on, digging a deep grave.

"It is salvation for the whole man: spirit, soul, and body. It is for our peace of heart and mind, our homes, our health, and our finances. It is freedom from all bondage and fear, with nothing missing and nothing broken."

"Affirmation of these truths should ring from our lips. We are told to hold fast to them without wavering. Wavering is brought about through double-mindedness and causes our confession to deny the very things that God has promised us."

And "Confession of God’s Word from a believing heart is powerful. It is like the Word in God’s mouth. It creates, it moves mountains, and it releases heaven’s power!"

No, it is not Heavens Power at all that is being released. It is Hell being bundled into the precepts of ancient Babylonian Satan worship which exalts man over the Creator and His creation.
Should you run for your life? Yes. ...and don't look back.


 2012/5/16 12:09









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The confessions and testimonies of our brothers and sisters are a sacred trust, not to be broadcasted, gossiped about, or used to diminish or belittle.

We need a revival, not a new demonstration of power, but a call to repentance and broken pride.

Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective

 2012/5/16 12:28
soulrider
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Joined: 2007/11/3
Posts: 33
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Examine your DOCTRINE closely. That is teaching; I don't mean to offend PEOPLE but examine TEACHING - regardless of WHO (and WHAT their fruit is) teaches it. I believe the church is under attack and it's using DOCTRINE to get in, I don't know how to explain what the Holy Spirit does to me when I pray for the church's DOCTRINE.

So Here I will COPY AND PASTE IT'S DOCTRINE. For those patient enough to go through it - maybe we can bring something to light and all be edified. All in context in the following posts.


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Joe

 2012/5/16 14:55Profile





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