Enjoy Zac Poonen's Youtube message!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Rm302x7SsM

Diane

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Diane

Wow, from the same man who advocates head coverings. He must not tie head coverings to legalism, or obedience to legalism. I'll check it out.

Well worth watching.

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Robert Wurtz II

For the most part, the message was really good. Especially as he deals with the attitude of the heart. However, I think it was a little off balance as he failed to speak on many passages of scripture that deal with the same issue and speak to it a little differently.

For instance, in one passage you have Jesus fogivinv the adulteress, but in another passage you have Paul putting a fornicating/adulterer out of the church. Obviously, both instances were correct. But I'm not sure you could get that from this message.

But what he said about pharaseeism and mercy was challenging and a good reminder.

I think Zach was carful to point out that adultery is indeed a vile sin; but by way of contrast he suggests that adultery is a speck in the eye compared to judgmentalism that is a 'million times worse'. I don't see it as a green light to fornication/adultery, but a warning as to how serious a judgmental spirit really is. Just my take of it.

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Robert Wurtz II

I agree Robert. I don't think he was giving a pass on adultery by any means, and what he said about judgementalism was good. To me, it just seemed like the message was a little off balance, almost like there was never a place to make a judgment regarding sin or a consequence for it. I'm sure Zac believes there's a place for both, it just didn't come across in this video.

On thing I really appreciate about Zac is his ability and effort to speak on things in simple ways. He can take deep truths and make them applicable in a way that most people can understand.

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Sreeram

And ye are puffed up, and did not rather mourn, that he that had done this deed might be taken away from among you. For I verily, being absent in body but present in spirit, have already as though I were present judged him that hath so wrought this thing, in the name of our Lord Jesus, ye being gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus, to deliver such a one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. (1 Corinthians 5:2-5 ASV)


Do you think there is a place for Judgment among believers? Is there a Bible verse supporting your thought?

And ye are puffed up, and did not rather mourn, that he that had done this deed might be taken away from among you. For I verily, being absent in body but present in spirit, have already as though I were present judged him that hath so wrought this thing, in the name of our Lord Jesus, ye being gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus, to deliver such a one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. For what have I to do with judging them that are without? Do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Put away the wicked man from among yourselves. (1 Corinthians 5:2-5, 12, 13 ASV)

But when Cephas came to Antioch, I resisted him to the face, because he stood condemned. (Galatians 2:11 ASV)


Don't get me wrong. I've been blessed by much of what I've heard Zac preach. Those are just my thought on his message.

By the way, are you from India? My family and I lived there for while.

Hey I have nothing against you. The question you posted is also in my heart. I am from India but living in US. I will get a chance next month to meet Zac personally. I will ask him this question. But based on 1 Corth 5, I still believe it is not the members responsibility to Judge one another. Paul is elder or overseer of the Church in Corinth, so he can look into the heart of person and then decide an action.

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Sreeram

"Paul is elder or overseer of the Church in Corinth, so he can look into the heart of person and then decide an action."

You don't need to "look into the heart of a fornicator". If a professing believer is living in open fornication, that is what's in their heart.

But the things which proceed out of the mouth come forth out of the heart; and they defile the man. For out of the heart come forth evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, railings: these are the things which defile the man; but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not the man. (Matthew 15:18-20 ASV)