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PrimaDogma
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I feel like I am in an ancient coloseum watching two titans do battle. Achilles versus Hector, Thor versus the Midgard Serpent, Old Joe versus JiG. This is theological Armageddon. The fate of millions depends on whether Sonship is an a priori extracalvincom hypostasis or a post priori putative hypostasis. The destiny of humanity will be determined by the outcome.

 2012/1/17 16:08Profile









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Thanks Brother Tom.

He that The Son sets free is Free Indeed.

Blessings!


I found my first pocket N.T.. It looks older than me. It's the NT with all of the OT prophecies in it.

Thank You Jesus!

Shalom!

 2012/1/17 19:31









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Dear PrimaDogma, I've hesitated on posting a reply but feel I must now.

Now that we're on page 11 and few will ever read back 10 pages -- this was merely a question of 'when' The Word of GOD became "the Son" - as some scholars use several verses to say that it was at 'conception' and that's called "Incarnational Sonship".

One person that believes that The Word of GOD is the "eternal" Son, claims that those that believe in Incarnational Sonship are damned to Hell.

That sums up this thread, but what I wanted to just say to you is ....


Hey - Thanks for the comic relief sprinkled through-out.
I don't believe that either camp is in any danger of hell based upon either belief that they see from His Word - but this thread would have been like that place without a few jokes - because - no one understands the questions I asked and most gave apples for oranges or was it oranges for apples as answers?

I do hope you'll stay the Sentry on this thread because I'm done with it.

:o)


Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on Thee: because he trusteth in Thee.


- here I stand.




GOD shed His Grace on all of us.




Thanks again.

 2012/1/17 20:29
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Loingirder---that was it!! Your last post betrayed you PD!!


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 2012/1/17 21:08Profile
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I am not worthy to unlatch LoinGirder's sandals! He could have killed this thread in one mighty blow. I strove for days to kill it, and now walk away with sword notched and shoulders sagging.

 2012/1/17 21:37Profile









 Re: Is the denial of the eternal Sonship of Christ a damnable heresy?

Well, since it was my thread that so many wanted to destroy, it is probably too much to ask but I do hope you all will at least allow me the courtesy of closing it with a quote from the original article.

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We cannot conceive how those who hold the doctrine that Christ is the Eternal Son of God and those who deny it can dwell together in union and peace.



The evidence is that it cannot be done.

Adios,
OJ

 2012/1/19 1:24









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Joh 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
Joh 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
Joh 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
Joh 5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
Joh 5:21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
Joh 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
Joh 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.


Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.


Joh 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
Joh 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
Joh 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Joh 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
Joh 5:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
Joh 5:32 There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.

 2012/1/19 10:47









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Re: "Is the denial of the eternal Sonship of Christ a damnable heresy?" ....OldJoe said;

"Well, since it was my thread that so many wanted to destroy, it is probably too much to ask but I do hope you all will at least allow me the courtesy of closing it with a quote from the original article."

"We cannot conceive how those who hold the doctrine that Christ is the Eternal Son of God and those who deny it can dwell together in union and peace."

"The evidence is that it cannot be done!"

I agree; because without faith, it is impossible to please God....and those who cannot receive this eternal Truth must wrestle the theology away from the Word to justify their unbelief.

Yet, There must be a place to contend for the faith.

Jude 1:2-4
King James Version (KJV)


"Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.

"Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and .....

.....exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

"For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and

......... denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ....

Denying the Eternal Sonship of Jesus is the one and same as denying God.....they are inseparable.

So, OJ, for what it is worth, A hearty Amen from me!..TY




 2012/1/19 13:00









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I thought it would be too much to ask....

The answer is found in this verse

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Joh 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.



Is the Father eternal? Yes! Is the Father to be honored as eternal? Yes! Did the Father become the Father at the incarnation? No!! He was always the Father, and is to be honored as such. Likewise the Son. That is why it is written, "I the Lord change not"

OJ

 2012/1/19 13:06









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"I agree; because without faith, it is impossible to please God....and those who cannot receive this eternal Truth must wrestle the theology away from the Word to justify their unbelief."

Agreed!!

Thanks BT!!

OJ

 2012/1/19 13:08





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