| Poster | Thread | jochbaptist
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| | Re: | | Thanks Bro KingJimmy
this is GOOD too!
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|  2012/1/11 11:24 | Profile |
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we as Christians are to keep the Law of God
Did you just admit that we have to keep the law?
Great post Jimmy , I agree with most of it. Here is where we differ, you said:
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Its about living a life not empowered by a checklist of commandments,
See, that leaves us guessing what the Creator requires of us. He has told us what he requires, why are we making up our own rules? |
| | 2012/1/11 12:25 | | KingJimmy
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Did you just admit that we have to keep the law?
Yes. I keep it because the law has been fulfilled in me. I am righteous because God has declared me so, and I have been given a new heart and mind to reflect this. And out of this new heart and mind that come as part of the New Covenant, I "naturally" do the will of God, as I live out of His life and Spirit.
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See, that leaves us guessing what the Creator requires of us. He has told us what he requires, why are we making up our own rules?
Indeed, He has told us what He requires. But Spirit-filled living doesn't mean one becomes a law unto themselves, being able to do whatever is right in our own eyes. The Law of God is there to remind tell us if we have transgressed God's will for our lives, and have gone beyond the boundaries of His will.
For example, I live in the United States. The United States has two borders, one to the north and one to the south. If I cross either of those boundary markers, I have overstepped the bounds of my habitation. Our relation to the Law as Christians is the same.
But while living in the Untied States, I never really think about the boundaries of my habitation. Why? Because there is so much freedom and liberty to be found within these borders. I don't wake up every single day and conduct my business by thinking, "Ok, I have to stay within these boundaries today." Instead, I just do what comes to me naturally. And for 29 years of my life thus far, I have yet to cross over those borders.
In the same way, as a born again individual filled with the Spirit of the living God, I don't wake up and think: "Ok Jimmy, don't kill anybody today. And don't take God's name in vain." Why? Because the Law, as Paul reminds us in 1 Timothy 1, was made for people who are sinners. You don't have to tell a righteous man not to murder anybody, because he is a righteous man. Righteous men don't do things like that. And so long as I desire to follow the leading of the Spirit in everything I do, I will "keep" the Law.
In fact, I only have to tell myself to not murder somebody if in fact, I am a murderer by nature. But by nature, I am not a murderer, so I don't need a Law to tell me not to murder. It is not my nature to murder, because now I have been made by the Spirit into a new creation, which is conformed to the image of Christ. I am free to live by the Spirit of God, and don't need one single jot or tittle of the Law in order to tell me how to live. For Christ tells me how to live.
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| | 2012/1/11 13:10 | Profile | Christinyou
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| | Re: | | That saying "I don't keep the Law to be saved, I keep the Law because I am saved", is true, adding it is His working in me that I am saved and keep the Law, by Him that is the only fulfillment of the whole Law, "Christ in you the hope of Glory", It is: "Col 1:28-29" Whom we preach, warning every man and teaching every man in all wisdom, that we might present every man perfect in Christ. :29 Where I also labour, striving according to His working, which worketh in me mightily. I in the Law working by self can only produce death.
Amen, Jimmy
In Christ: Phillip
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| | 2012/1/11 13:51 | Profile | sarahsdream
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| | Re: | | Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
The law is forever (end of the age) and will never die, so in order to be released from it, we have to die.
We died in Christ, and thus have been delivered from the law.
Before Christ we were held by the law, but now being dead, we have been set free to serve God in newness of spirit.
You cannot be married to both the law and to Christ. That is spiritual adultery. Pick one.
In Christ,
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| | 2012/1/11 14:44 | Profile | Christinyou
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"""You cannot be married to both the law and to Christ. That is spiritual adultery. Pick one."""
The light comes on; If we are not dead with Christ, we are still married to our old husband, the Law and Condemnation by Satan, which kills. If we are dead, crucified with Christ; Gal 2:20, EVEN freed from the Law, we are free to marry another, our Bridegroom Jesus Christ and we will be at the marriage supper of the Lamb His Bride and He taking us to Our new Father's house. example: Parable of the 10 virgins, no oil, missed the comming of the Bridegroom taking His Bride to His Fathers House. We are the Bride.
"I am" My Joy is made full. No words can describe the greatness of the Joy. "I AM" a son by rebirth. A Bride of Christ His Church without spot or wrikle, He is presenting to Himself. JOY
In Christ: Phillip
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| | 2012/1/11 15:14 | Profile | KingJimmy
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| | Re: | | Amen. Well said.
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| | 2012/1/11 15:16 | Profile | RobertW
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| | Re: | | Again, just to point this out, it is impossible to keep the OT laws without largely picking and choosing. James tells us that if we offend in one point we are guilty of all. Even those that desire to keep the law have been forced to set up a system of Halaka to adjust the laws to the times and conditions. The Old Covenant that contained these laws has vanished away. We are now under the New Covenant as has been described by many posters. But lets not get confused here, No one and I mean absolutely no one is keeping the Old Covenant. It is utterly impossible.
Comments made by our Lord about keeping the commandments were directed at men and women still under the Old Covenant. It was true and right to do so at that present time. The Old Covenant dealt was tailored for the Old Man. They were still in the Old Man at that time. Jesus initiated the New Covenant the night Judas betrayed Him. It came into effect when the Holy Spirit was poured out a Pentecost after Jesus had co-crucified with our Old Man. This radical event opened a world of possibility; i.e. the coming of the New Covenant tailored for the New Man.
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| | 2012/1/11 15:29 | Profile | KingJimmy
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| | Re: | | And for this reason, it is my understanding, many "reformed" Jews to this day acknowledge that many of the laws of the old covenant are not applicable today, because there is no Temple or priesthood.
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| | 2012/1/11 15:40 | Profile | KingJimmy
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| | Re: | | It should also be noted that Paul, when he talks about the Law, isn't just talking about the Old Covenant. When he says we have been freed from the Law, this even includes "natural" law, and is not limited to what Moses wrote down.
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