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savedtoserve
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Okay, please explain your line of reasoning to me.

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It isnt a sin to drink a beer or a glass of wine.


So you're saying it wasn't sin for Christ to drink a glass of wine.
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But why do it when it obscures the gospel?


So He obviously must not have done it when it could have obscured the gospel, correct?
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In this case it does cause people to stumble, so we're commanded to not do it if it causes one to stumble.


So in the case where they accused Him of being a winebibber, it didn't cause them to stumble?? Because if He hadn't drank, their accusation would have been totally wrong whereas with your position, their accusation does have something to start on.

Paul said "Be ye followers of me even as I am of Christ." But now we shouldn't follow Christ (or Paul) in this area "just because"???

I believe Christ and His word transcend cultures in all matters of righteousness.

EDIT - The Bible says the scriptures are of NO PRIVATE INTERPRETATION.

savedtoserve

 2011/8/24 17:03Profile
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Bill wrote:

"Zaccheus was short"

Bill, I am short, less the five feet tall. I never knew this was a sin - I always thought it was because of the genes I inherited from my grandmother. How can God save me from a malady over which I have no control?

ginnyrose


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Sandra Miller

 2011/8/24 18:35Profile
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by ginnyrose
Bill wrote:

"Zaccheus was short"

Bill, I am short, less the five feet tall. I never knew this was a sin - I always thought it was because of the genes I inherited from my grandmother. How can God save me from a malady over which I have no control?

ginnyrose



It was all in fun, at the hope of having this thread take the next exit up the road onto the new freeway, hope this helps.

PS... Is being funny a sin? if so please forgive me, I just don't want any dried up bones. Lol

"A happy heart is good medicine and a cheerful mind works healing, but a broken spirit dries up the bones"
(Proverbs 17:22, AMP Ver.).


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 2011/8/24 19:17Profile
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Bill, I love humor as all my friends know, but ah reckon I missed it...

I do get annoyed when I encounter a tall person who will refuse to look at ya when you talk to them - they just look over your head as though you are not worthy of any attention.
This does bum me out. Maybe you can give me a funny suggestion on how to handle it the next time it happens?

ginnyrose

PS: Now this IS a rabbit trail!


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Sandra Miller

 2011/8/24 23:11Profile
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Can we discontinue the off-topic posts? That's what emailing is for.

Did anyone read this link? http://www.amazingfacts.org/resources/download/PBLib/BK-CA.pdf

 2011/8/25 6:38Profile
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"Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shalleat there in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice."


This is not some opinion stated by man, but God's own words on the subject. "BEFORE THE LORD" from His own mouth. The Lord, who does not change, instructed His own people to drink wine or fermented drink BEFORE THE LORD and REJOICE.

The Lord would never have encouraged anyone to "sin" before Him, thus He clearly did not, and does not consider drinking wine, or fermented drink a sin.

If the Lord Himself instructed His people in this way, why do those who claim to speak for Him deny His people the very liberty He Himself gave them to rejoice before Him?

Those who would contradict what the Lord Himself instructed speak from an "appearance" of wisdom only. But touch not, taste not and handle not - is not spiritual life or righteousness - just commandments of men completely powerless to restrain the sinful indulgence of the flesh.

There is a better way - the fruit of the Spirit- SELF CONTROL. DRINK NOT - is only one more man made law that is a reaction against the abuse of what the Lord Himself made to be enjoyed BEFORE HIM.


ironfloater

 2011/8/25 7:56Profile
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Very good Ironfloater,

Now is this topic done? ;)I really am uncertain on how anyone can refute that scriture? but oh the religious minded and set in their ways surely will figure something out.(Please note I once was of those religious minded but the Lord showed me a better way)


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 2011/8/25 8:02Profile









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ironfloater...I never saw that before.

That should settle it.

(But it wont)

Krispy

 2011/8/25 8:23
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This gets on another topic which I don't plan to explore here. But what version are you using? Yes, I'm "one of those" who cares about which version. :)

If you let me know the reference, I can tell you what my Bible says.

 2011/8/25 8:24Profile
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Numbers 28:7 "Its drink offering shall be a fourth of a hin for each lamb; in the Holy Place you shall pour out a fermented drink offering to the Lord." (Amp)

Is God a boozer to?

Deuteronomy 14:26

I believe that comes out of the NIV but if you are KJV Only kind of guy

"26And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,"

Or perhaps a NAS?

"26 You may spend the money for whatever your [a]heart desires: for oxen, or sheep, or wine, or strong drink, or whatever your [b]heart [c]desires; and (A)there you shall eat in the presence of the LORD your God and rejoice, you and your household."

No? How about the Amplified my personal favorite ;)

"26And you may spend that money for whatever your appetite craves, for oxen, or sheep, or new wine or strong[er] drink, or whatever you desire; and you shall eat there before the Lord your God and you shall rejoice, you and your household."


*edited added answering a question I forgot to answer*


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