Poster | Thread | twayneb Member

Joined: 2009/4/5 Posts: 2082 Joplin, Missouri
| Re: Food Sacrificed to Idols | | Yes, Paul did talk about eating food sacrifice to Idols. I will try to give you my understanding of what he said and its context.
Paul realized that in Christ, he was free to eat anything, clean, unclean, or even offered to idols. This was a common practice in pagan places. The food sold in the markets had been offered up to the gods or idols of the land before it was eaten or sold. Some Native Americans did something like this as well, stopping to thank their Gods and perform a short ceremony over meat they had just killed.
Paul says, "Look, we know the idol is nothing. It is just an invention of these people's minds. The fact that they offered it to an idol has absolutely no effect upon me as a believer. If I am hungry, I will eat. My conscience is clear." But then Paul goes on to say this, "If in eating that food I cause someone not so established in his faith to stumble, I will go hungry. His faith is more important than my hunger." This is the crux of 1 Cor. 8 and 1 Cor. 10.
However, in Acts 15, the Apostles and Elders advised the new Gentile believers NOT to eat of anything offered to idols. I believe the reason for this was the immaturity of these new believers. They came directly from a culture in which they had always offered their meat to idols. These were examples of the weaker ones Paul referred to in 1 Cor. 8 and 1. Cor. 10.
Let me give you an analogy from my own culture if I can. I have never knowingly consumed alcolholic drinks. But I cannot make a Biblical case that consuming alcolhol is sinful. If I wanted to drink a glass of wine or cup of beer with my meal, I have every ability to do so and still not be defiled as a believer. However, in the culture of the USA, alcohol is a VERY abused substance. I often minister to people whose lives have been destroyed by alcohol or drugs. So, I will not partake. Why? So I can say honestly, "No, I don't partake of that because I see too many people destroyed by it, and I want you to be free from it as well." My freedom is curtailed by other's weakness, and I willingly do this out of love for them.
Hope that helps.
_________________ Travis
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| 2022/12/1 9:19 | Profile | twayneb Member

Joined: 2009/4/5 Posts: 2082 Joplin, Missouri
| Re: Food Sacrificed to Idols | | Yes, Paul did talk about eating food sacrifice to Idols. I will try to give you my understanding of what he said and its context.
Paul realized that in Christ, he was free to eat anything, clean, unclean, or even offered to idols. This was a common practice in pagan places. The food sold in the markets had been offered up to the gods or idols of the land before it was eaten or sold. Some Native Americans did something like this as well, stopping to thank their Gods and perform a short ceremony over meat they had just killed.
Paul says, "Look, we know the idol is nothing. It is just an invention of these people's minds. The fact that they offered it to an idol has absolutely no effect upon me as a believer. If I am hungry, I will eat. My conscience is clear." But then Paul goes on to say this, "If in eating that food I cause someone not so established in his faith to stumble, I will go hungry. His faith is more important than my hunger." This is the crux of 1 Cor. 8 and 1 Cor. 10.
However, in Acts 15, the Apostles and Elders advised the new Gentile believers NOT to eat of anything offered to idols. I believe the reason for this was the immaturity of these new believers. They came directly from a culture in which they had always offered their meat to idols. These were examples of the weaker ones Paul referred to in 1 Cor. 8 and 1. Cor. 10.
Let me give you an analogy from my own culture if I can. I have never knowingly consumed alcolholic drinks. But I cannot make a Biblical case that consuming alcolhol is sinful. If I wanted to drink a glass of wine or cup of beer with my meal, I have every ability to do so and still not be defiled as a believer. However, in the culture of the USA, alcohol is a VERY abused substance. I often minister to people whose lives have been destroyed by alcohol or drugs. So, I will not partake. Why? So I can say honestly, "No, I don't partake of that because I see too many people destroyed by it, and I want you to be free from it as well." My freedom is curtailed by other's weakness, and I willingly do this out of love for them.
Hope that helps.
_________________ Travis
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| 2022/12/1 9:27 | Profile | ccchhhrrriiisss Member

Joined: 2003/11/23 Posts: 4680
| Re: | | Good points, Twayne.
I agree with you (and Paul the Apostle) that there is a difference between eating food and not knowing where it came from (but receiving it as "food" and giving thanks to God for it) and knowingly participating in the sacrifice of idols.
Participation in idolatry. This is what the Israelites did after Balaam. That is what Solomon did. That is what many of the kings of Israel (and some from Judah) did.
For me, Solomon's fall is one of those utterly tragic yet rarely-referenced events from the Old Testament. Yet, everything that happened to Israel after it is consequential to this -- including the breaking apart of the Promised Land into Israel and Judah, the captivity of first Israel and then Judah, a remnant's return, the continued scattering of others abroad and the coming of the Messiah (with many believing that he would "restore the KINGDOM of Israel" (Acts 1:6).
Idolatry is one of the basic prohibitions in the Old Covenant. It is the first two commandments of the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:1-6). It is the basis of what became known as the "Shema Yisrael:" "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one" (Deuteronomy 6:4).
Just like sexual immorality, one doesn't just "unwittingly" or "unknowingly" engage in it. In the context of the apostle's letter in Acts 15:22-29 (possibly the first recorded epistle): The strangling, blood and the food that was part of the sacrifice is all a part of an aware participation in idolatry.
Not only does Jesus reference the idolatry and sexual immorality of Balaam in Revelation 2:14,20, but idolatry and sexual immorality are two of the issues that preclude someone from entrance into the gates of our heavenly city in Revelation 22:12-15.
Yes, I believe that it is the knowing participation in idolatry that is so wrong. It is knowingly participating in the table of demons. This is what destroys someone from the inside -- the error of Balaam -- which taught Balak to put "a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, so that they might eat food sacrificed to idols and practice sexual immorality" (Revelation 2:14).
It is this type of participation that is wrong under both the old and new covenants. I feel that this is the essence of what Paul stressed this in I Corinthians 10:
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18 Consider the people of Israel: Are not those who eat the sacrifices participants in the altar? 19 What do I imply then? That food offered to idols is anything, or that an idol is anything? 20 No, I IMPLY THAT WHAT PAGANS SACRIFICE THEY OFFER TO DEMONS AND NOT TO GOD. I DO NOT WANT YOU TO BE PARTICIPANTS WITH DEMONS. 21 You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons. You cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons.
(I Corinthians 10:18-21)
I suppose that it is a good thing that we don't live in a time of blatant idolatry in the terms of manufactured idols for worship. And, as Paul pointed out, those idols are nothing" (I Corinthians 8:4) but, at the same time, they are "demons" I Corinthians 8:5-6; 10:21). It's the participation in the idolatry that is wrong and not the unwitting eating of the offerings.
Some ancient culture books explain that Corinth was home to pagan temple idolatry. The pagan temple compounds -- to Aphrodite, Apollo, Poseiden, etc. -- were huge. In fact, the "outer courts" of those temples were part of the main pedestrian thoroughfares through the city.
Food and drink -- some potentially retrieved from sacrifices -- were sold on those thoroughfares. If this is the case, then I can see how someone would walk through the city and buy some food and drink. Perhaps this is what Paul was referring to when people would see them eating and, by doing so, you've become a stumbling block to them and sin against Christ (I Corinthians 8:8-13).
Still, the primary point of Balaam is about knowing participation in idolatry and sexual immorality. During the journey from Egypt to the Promised Land, idolatry brought about plagues. And, of course, during the divided kingdom, it was continued idolatry that led to the captivity.
Keith Green sang a song about how the Israelites sometimes would "want to go back to Egypt." They preferred captivity for the sake of the food of Egypt. In the end, they practiced idolatry and became captives once again -- but this time in Assyria, Babylon and Persia. I suspect that the food didn't taste quite as good as they'd thought. _________________ Christopher
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| 2022/12/1 13:24 | Profile | deltadom Member

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| Re: | | Does halell food count as food sacrificed to idols _________________ Dominic Shiells
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