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I have been reading through yourposts and the replies, and took the matter to prayer and here are my thoughts for you to consider and discard if no good.
The matter is very complicated with psychiatrists being involved.
There are a lot of deliverence ministries which are harmful - they do not have the authority they think they have and I believe, after being involved with one for a time, that demons sport with them.
Casting out demons without replacing them with the Spirit is asking for trouble and there is a lot of wrong teaching on how to be filled.
The Lord can do the work directly and He does not need a ministry to do it, I just don`t believe in these ministries.
The major issue is just how desperate is this man? He may be saying he wants help for various reasons but not actually at the point where he begs God to help him and is willing to do anything because the Lord will demand everything from him to take him out of the pathway he is in of increasing damage from pharmaceuticals.
If he is not at this point then you can only pray for him and try to get him in touch with a Spirit filled believer and I can tell you that there are not many who can handle this.
To be filled with the Spirit, involves the man being desperate for more of God in his life and not just relief from his present problem which he has brought upon himself because he was not filled previously and protected. So there must be repentence and consecration to Christ whereby the man will put himself in a commited place of absolute obedience.
I know that Christ can work in an instant to bring healing in these type of bondages and He wants to do it. So the first step for the man if he is ready is to get aside with Christ and cut out distractions to start to get really serious with his walk.
I hope I have been of some help. Don`t hesitate to contact me if I can be of any further help. I will keep him in my prayers. Brenda
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Thank you, Brenda.
I really believe only Christ can deliver and He will set free any man that wants to be set free. I had not realized until this thread how little experience the Church has in this area. I do appreciate all the good-hearted advice and prayers.
| 2011/7/26 8:28||Profile|
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Sarah I hope you are able to find a ministry locally. A big part of deliverance is being submitted to authority and walking it out. According to Ed Murphy, only 20% of Christians keep their deliverance. I would suggest a read of this book. It's one of the best, and this man is a very level headed Christian. "The Handbook for Spiritual Warfare" by Ed Murphy.
| 2011/7/26 15:11|
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Amen Sister Krautfrau.
Could it be, that is why Teen Challenge has such a HIGH percentage of success?
Because this whole "Deliverance Ministry" nonsense is based upon Heresy - a blatant lie against Scripture?
Where is "Healing Ministries" and "Deliverance Ministries" found in our New Testaments and what is the background of those who are promoting these things?
Any believer can be used of GOD to be a channel of HIS healing, restoration, deliverance from possession in the unsaved and HE can use even a babe in Christ in the gifts, if they've come to a true saving knowledge of Christ, dedicated their life and actions and thoughts to HIM and have died to self-confidence and are totally dependent on Him for His "leading"/discernment into anything spiritual...
Mar 16:17,18 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; they shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
I'm posting this link from this Missionary to Tanzania, Africa again and praying that it will help somebody ... especially #4 of this Series.
Take it from those on the front lines, as this man is and as countless other missionaries are, in very pagan nations.
| 2011/7/26 16:19|
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Thank you very much for the book, EZ.
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In 1 Corinthians 3:16-17, the Apostle Paul refers to Christians as God's Temple. I submit to you that Ezekiel 8 gives the imagery of a person who claims to be a Christian but has never repented of sin - Luke 24:45 indicates repentence is necessary for forgiveness of sin. Without repentence, implying you refuse to welcome an evil spirit in your inner court (your thoughts), permanent deliverance will not occur. With repentence comes forgiveness of sins and the Holy Spirit will cleanse the Temple. An example of repentence that would lead to deliverance is as follows - at the start, you see nothing wrong with secretly toying with pornography in your mind (Ezekiel 8:16). Through reading and hearing the Word, and through the convinction of the Holy Spirit, in your heart you begin to consider that secret sin wrong and you confess it as wrong. Applying James 4:7, you then begin to submit to God (being in agreement with Him), and you resist the evil spirits who keep delivering the pornographic images to your brain. After a time, your faithful Creator takes care of business, and shuts the mouths of the evil spirits - driving them from the Temple (YOU). That is why the Lord includes repentence as leading to forgiveness of sin. Teach repentence as the Lord instructed in Luke 24, and deliverence will be an end result.
| 2011/7/26 19:30||Profile|
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teach repentence as the Lord instructed in Luke 24, and deliverence will be an end result.
Panin repentence and obedience are certainly a prerequisite to deliverance, but that is not the example of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. When he encountered a man possessed of a demonic spirit he did not tell him that he needed to repent and obey and then he would be delivered. He cast out the demonic spirit.
| 2011/7/26 21:42|
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Panin is referring to "Christians" and you are referring to unsaved demon possessed individuals.
Wanted to ask ~ when did you first read this book that you've recommended, Endzone?
| 2011/7/26 21:56|
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What I am trying to express is that if you cast a demon out of a person who has not repented, you will be casting the same demon out again and again - plus more - Matthew 12:43-45.
FIRST repentance, then effective deliverance. Repentance is what makes the deliverance remain in effect. Deliverance is certainly a ministry of those who believe - but the Lord is not limited to that.
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I think I understand what Endzone is saying. It is like this verse.
Mat 12:29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.
Many Christians who have opened themselves up to evil spirits through sin and are expressing a need for help are actually repenting because they are humbling themselves and asking for help. They are saying that they need some body ministry and for someone to stand with them and bind the demonic forces and cast them out or off.
Think of it. A person who is not repenting is not asking for help. He is happy looking at his pornography and not searching out Christians to help him.
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