When these verses below (from The Revelation of Jesus Christ) are fulfilled are you still going to be claiming it was 'weather patterns?'
I never could understand, until I read your posts, how the people in those revelations would not repent, now I believe they will not even know it was God slaying them - they will be saying the same thing you are saying. You said it yourself, "This can be dangerous if what we proclaim is not founded upon the undeniable Truth of God's Word."
God sent the tornado, not necessarily to punish those people as much as to punish this whole Country.
No, I wouldn't. You see, those things mentioned in the Revelation period of God's wrath will DEFY the natural order for which God assigned this world. The events surrounding weather, earthquakes, and even the stars will all defy all notions of "order."
then people will be less prone to listen when REAL acts of judgment befall.
Ps 107:23-3123 They that go down to the sea in ships, that do business in great waters;24 These see the works of the Lord, and his wonders in the deep.25 For he commandeth, and raiseth the stormy wind, which lifteth up the waves thereof.26 They mount up to the heaven, they go down again to the depths: their soul is melted because of trouble.27 They reel to and fro, and stagger like a drunken man, and are at their wits' end.28 Then they cry unto the Lord in their trouble, and he bringeth them out of their distresses.29 He maketh the storm a calm, so that the waves thereof are still.30 Then are they glad because they be quiet; so he bringeth them unto their desired haven.31 Oh that men would praise the Lord for his goodness, and for his wonderful works to the children of men!Jonah 1:4 But the Lord sent out a great wind into the sea, and there was a mighty tempest in the sea, so that the ship was like to be broken.Ex 9:18 Behold, to morrow about this time I will cause it to rain a very grievous hail, such as hath not been in Egypt since the foundation thereof even until now.Ps 105:32-3632 He gave them hail for rain, and flaming fire in their land.33 He smote their vines also and their fig trees; and brake the trees of their coasts.34 He spake, and the locusts came, and caterpillers, and that without number,35 And did eat up all the herbs in their land, and devoured the fruit of their ground.36 He smote also all the firstborn in their land, the chief of all their strength.KJVHag 2:17 I smote you with blasting and with mildew and with hail in all the labours of your hands; yet ye turned not to me, saith the Lord.Job 37:6 For he saith to the snow, Be thou on the earth; likewise to the small rain, and to the great rain of his strength.It certainly wasn't laws of nature that did these things.....OJ
No one claimed God doesn't interrupt the natural order of things to create super-natural situations which in some cases means judgment. He also interrupts the natural order of things to do acts of mercy and kindness, such as healing someone who by all rights should be dead or saving a soul that by all rights was corrupted by sin and deserving of said judgment. Can I ask an honest question, why were the people of Joplin judged and not the people in Washington DC? Why were 125+ families (probably your average middle class people...I don't know) who were simply trying to live their lives, judged and killed because of what a man in a suit decided thousands of miles away? God must have just been so enraged that he just threw these tornadoes down with reckless abandon like zeus on his cloudy throne, hitting what they may hit and killing who they may kill. Hebrews 1 tells us exactly how God the father is, and that he was perfectly expressed in Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ (last time I checked) took the judgement of the world upon himself, and thanks to him we are now in an era of mercy and rest, does that mean there won't be a day of judgement? No, of course that is coming and coming soon as I see it (but who knows, it's been coming soon for a few thousand years). We're under a different covenant now folks, but you would be hard pressed to see that in this thread...
It is very interesting to see how this thread has developed, who knew? It is facinating to see where different Christians come down on this issue, it truly speaks into their hearts I believe."They ARE coming. However, this tornado was NOT one of those periods of wrath."Thats a very bold statement, its as bold as saying that it was God, all the bolder because of the capital letters of the " NOT." It is strange to refute one emphatic statement with another, but it does bring clarity and men should be fully convinced of what they believe. Back in the late 1800s, at the hieght of the " Higher citics," ( men who believed in the Bible but not in any supernatural acts) there was a discovery on the Jordon river. It was discovered that at some point in the past, determined to be roughly in the time frame of the Exodus, there had been a massive landslide up river of where it was supposed that the Israelites had crossed. It was an " Ah Ha," moment for the higher critics, they said something along the lines of " You see, we have our explanation, it was not supernatural but simply a random act of nature."Now consider that for a second. What the higher critics were saying, and in their blindness missing, was the fact that the second the Priests put their feet in the Jordon, in accordance to Gods command, so many minutes before a massive landslide occured miles upstream and at the precise second the Priest stepped in, the river dried up. Another thing to consider. Scientists are now explaining how the brain works to a certain extent. They say things like anger or lust are simply " chemical reactions," in the brain. I am certain that they are correct, that when a man is angry or murderous or cheating on his wife, that some kind of chemical reaction is going off in his brain. Does that mean that he is not controlling his actions? Is there not a spirit and a soul behind the mans actions, choosing or not choosing what to do? If scientists tell us that a man is simply the victim of his chemical make-up and a product of his enviroment, does that negate what the Bible says about sin and accountabilty?Let me say something about scientists and the scientific mind, they are grass-hoppers in comparison to our Almighty God. The wisest man in the world is as a fool to our God. The world will continue to get smarter, knowledge will certainly increase, naturaL explanations will be given for everything, yet the Word of God will stand unmoved. As for the Tornado that hit Joplin, one hopes that every resident of Joplin would lift their eyes to an Almighty God in the midst of the devastaion and fall down on their faces. My heart breaks for those people. The stories have left me in tears multiple times. Their loss is epic and hard to contemplate. Christians from all over are heading to and are already there to bring comfort to those in need, as it should be. For we are the light that penetrates the darkness of this world. One final word. I am reminded of the heart of Abraham as he interceded for Sodom ( I am not saying Joplin is Sodom, just using it as an example of the heart of a Godly man) Abraham, knowing how wicked Sodom was, interceded on behalf of that city. Even in the midst of judgement, we must always have the heart of Abraham, it is for us to intercede and for God to act. We interce out of love, we warn out of love, this is the heart of God and we see it in Moses as well as he interceded on behalf of the children of Isreal as God was about to destroy them. Interestingly enough, all of the children of Israel fell in the desert, bar two. One and a half million perished in the wilderness because of unbelief and disobedience. Love came from the heart of Moses, God showed by His patience His love, but ultimately he exercised his justice. Just like the cross of Calvary where we see the perfect almagm of Love and justice...........brother Frank
white stone said: God sent the tornado, not necessarily to punish those people as much as to punish this whole Country. chris replied: How certain are you of this, White Stone? Is there any doubt in your mind that this particular tornado was an act of judgment upon that town (or this nation)? Or, to the contrary, is there any chance that this tornado was the result of the order by which God designed weather when He created the world?
Until then, I would simply urge caution before trying to attribute each and every act as a judgment of God. If people attribute each and every car accident, storm, tornado, ship wreck, stomach flu, hurricane, disease, etc... -- as divine acts of judgment -- then people will be less prone to listen when REAL acts of judgment befall.
Lets all pray that everyone gets in a terrible accident so they can reflect properly on their need for a savior? This is a sickening thought... We can't very well pray for the people of Joplin if it's God's judgment, and we certainly shouldn't send them aid, otherwise we would certainly be working against God and in danger of Judgment ourselves!
That is NOT what I said. You twisted my words?Be careful, I'm praying for you.ws
ccchhhrrriiisss wrote: "They ARE coming. However, this tornado was NOT one of those periods of wrath."appolus wrote: Thats a very bold statement, its as bold as saying that it was God, all the bolder because of the capital letters of the " NOT." It is strange to refute one emphatic statement with another, but it does bring clarity and men should be fully convinced of what they believe.