To answer clearly, YES God purposely decided to bring about that tornado and destroy that town. For some it will be an act of judgment, but for others it will be an act of mercy.
ChrisQuestion for you:If you lived in the tornado zone and it MISSED your house, would you be thankful to God? Why or why not?
I have read reports where faithful believers were killed during this disaster. So, this particular assumption implies that God killed believers and unbelievers in Joplin (and the livelihood of many others). Since when has God poured out His judgment, wrath and death upon His own people who have overcome evil by the blood of the Lamb?
Chris, thank you for sharing that story. Those were good words, and I heard them, lots of people following this will read your words and not really hear them, but I did. Thanks brother, much love to you. To be frank, if I were to read many of the posts on this forum without taking into account the people personally, this God you describe is ruthless, cruel and no one I would ever be interested in serving. But fortunately for myself, I understand that while God is sovereign and will do as he wills, he is good and he is love first and foremost. Sometimes I feel we view God as a sick war mongering beast who enjoys taking human life, God the father is viewed properly in only one way friends, and that is through Jesus Christ, who was his perfect representation. Mercy triumphs over all, much love.
He is the same God that allowed is very own Son to be mocked, tortured and slain. A God who was pleased with His Son's bruises (torture) and grief.Who put Jesus to grief?Isaiah 53:10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.A777P.S. When people suffer it is good to help them look at Jesus Christ and His sufferings for them.
he is good and he is love first and foremost.
Ginnyrose, OJ, and others who believe that God deliberately sent that storm to Joplin as a judgment to kill and destroy those people and their lives because of what Obama did or because of their own sins. I would like to clarify something that I didnt get to do before I bowed out and since this thread has really increased I feel the need to state my understanding a little and leave it with you all to accuse or approve.First of all I fear God above all and know that He is in ultimate control and can do anything He desires to do because he is God and is above all His creation. People need to fear, respect, and love Him supremely. I believe God has already judged the world according to Acts 17:30-31 (KJV) 30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: 31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.Jesus said in Luke 13:1-5 (KJV) 1 There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. 2 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things? 3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. 4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.Also in Luke 9:53-56 (KJV) 53 And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem. 54 And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? 55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. 56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.Let me say this again I know that God is in complete control but I also know he allows things to go on that is not to His liking but He puts up with it according to His long suffering and we are not to presume that just because something happens that we know God wanted to do this or that we know why he did it. We are not to speak for God in matters that are higher than our little finite being. We are also not to have a wrong spirit toward the calamities of others because we all are only saved by the grace of God.Obviously God has not intervened to stop all the disasters many have experienced on a wide scale and He has his reasons, for Hs is God and He knows all His works from eternity and those that are not His works but allows them to continue until He completes His work of redemption.Also I agree with Rons post.
There is much speculation in this thread, wouldn't you agree? Wouldn't you also agree that even if Adam didn't originally have dominion "over all the earth", that things aren't the way they were originally intended to be? The whole of creation groans under the weight of sin and there is suffering and pain in the world as a result. This is why I say that when these things come upon the earth I don't think about God judging a particular people, but rather a deeper hatred for sin is stirred in me. Quote:Read Job 38 and you will see that God controls all the elements God's sovereignty over creation is not in question when we say that God in His sovereignty gave Adam dominion over His creation as he walked in subjection to God.
Read Job 38 and you will see that God controls all the elements
The problem with emphasizing the love of God above all other attributes of God is that we get an incorrect view of who God is.
Everything God does is deliberate, everything God allows is deliberate. Nothing is accidental and He is never caught napping where His children are concerned. We serve a deliberate God.I just wanted to say that I never said why God is allowing these storms because frankly, I don't know. He has not revealed that to me.A777
Everything God does is deliberate, everything God allows is deliberate. Nothing is accidental and He is never caught napping where His children are concerned. We serve a deliberate God. I just wanted to say that I never said why God is allowing these storms because frankly, I don't know. He has not revealed that to me. A777
1. God did not intervene to stop these storms. 2. We are not hapless victims of circumstances or "nature". 3. Man does not view these storms as blessings. We don't know how God views them or what His many purposes are in allowing them.4. There is a reason for everything that God allows. 5. Job did not view the natural elements that wreaked havoc on his family as blessings. 6. As Job says, "are we to take good from the Lord and not bad also?" 7. Job viewed all of the "natural" tragedies as coming from God's hand. The greatest power in this world is God. He can stop it but He chose not to. And, as Job says, "The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away, blessed be the name of the Lord."