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 Re: What WAS Tozer doing in there??


Robert, thanks for your testimony here.

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The man knew how to touch God. It wasn't pretty. But the result was that James was set free from a lust that nearly drove him to suicide. I have been in those type of meetings. Don't know if they will ever be used as 'how-to' books on prayer, but I have seen lives changed. We touched God and prayed in faith. We were reckless. No formalities. No desire to impress anyone. We were just desperate for God to come.

Amen.

 2011/5/18 7:14









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The sad epitaph is for A.W. Tozer here on SermonIndex.

Out with Tozer - in with TBN's James Robison and the teachings that go with him.
Very surprised, yet shouldn't be; knowing very well the days we're living in.


Edit: Robert, I failed to add that you also knocked down Ravenhill as well and raised yourself above even him. That part is maybe even harder to believe, seeing that his is the featured sermon presently.
And by raising Robison, you've put your seal on a very risky demonology teaching that can truly cause a vulnerable person to stumble.


The OP asked - What was Tozer doing in there?

Maybe he was praying-travailing for his marriage and his children, besides his church people, etc..

 2011/5/18 7:44
jimp
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hi, we know the man of God who prayed for james was milton green, God called him zero for apart from God he was ;like me,a zero. please do not take offense to the truth that we are all zeros without God. i was a friend if len ravenhill and he was far from perfect himself.we who have been used of God must realize that God is the annointed one and we are conduits or hoses at best of that annointing.if you see the pieta you are amazed at its beauty and the greatness of michaelangelo but you dont even think of the tools he used.that is the way with us;tools in the hands of a great God.jimp

 2011/5/18 8:58Profile
mguldner
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Thanks for that jimp, it actually really encouraged me. I have actually struggled with the Anointed thing. Questions and doubts of am I anointed? is my work anointed, etc. But your right Christ is the Anointed ONE and its only in Him does anything we do become Anointed. I hardly take offense to being a zero without Christ something we should all learn early and never forget.


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 2011/5/18 9:02Profile









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Brothers, it's not a question of any of them or any of us being "perfect" - it's who's put down that are listed here as Sermons for us to hear and who is raised up, that is more questionable than them both, by a very long shot.

This is just a very sad day.

 2011/5/18 9:13
RobertW
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Out with Tozer - in with TBN's James Robison and the teachings that go with him.
Very surprised, yet shouldn't be; knowing very well the days we're living in.



I would ask you to refrain from characterizing my comments in this way. I have exalted no one over anyone else. I have expanded the context of the conversation with a view to edification and encouragement.

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I failed to add that you also knocked down Ravenhill as well and raised yourself above even him. That part is maybe even harder to believe, seeing that his is the featured sermon presently.



This comment is immoderate and completely uncalled for. I have stated my comment in the past and stand by it. If people want to pray they don't need editors. They can talk to God without interference. I am not exalting me or diminishing him, it is my view of the behavior.

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And by raising Robison, you've put your seal on a very risky demonology teaching that can truly cause a vulnerable person to stumble.



That is your opinion. I don't share it. James' testimony is believable, for me. He is willing to be transparent and admit to weakness. Although I have met him, I do not know him personally. His testimony is that the prayer was heard and he found freedom.


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Robert Wurtz II

 2011/5/18 9:19Profile
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Brothers, it's not a question of any of them or any of us being "perfect" - it's who's put down that are listed here as Sermons for us to hear and who is raised up, that is more questionable than them both, by a very long shot.



It was Tozer that believed that men ought to be remembered 'warts and all'. This is how men and women are depicted in scripture. God does not gloss over imperfections. He allows the sum total of their lives to teach us; in some ways to emulate behavior and in others to refrain from it. This is how we 'prove all things and hold fast to that which is good.' What is being brought into question here is, is there a such thing as taking prayer, study and even ministry too far so that the end result becomes counter productive to the emulation of Jesus Christ? I think the answer is yes. Does this men we should stop praying, even for hours if necessary? No. We need to strive to walk out the life of Jesus Christ in this life as common foot soldiers. That's what we need today, IMHO.


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Robert Wurtz II

 2011/5/18 9:29Profile









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Brother, your post on this previous page was indeed very hard on Tozer with your saying that there's so much more you 'could' post, instead of photoshopping and you did put down Ravenhill. I don't know why your exibiting this anger now, when your words against them are easy enough to read.

By putting both Ravenhill and Tozer down and then lifting up Robison's experience - that isn't "characterizing your comments". That's how your post is reading. That you know how to pray but these men didn't.

As far as Robison's "deliverance" - this was brought up by Anonymous777 as him having demon(s) being 'cast out' of him.
I do not buy into that belief of Christians having demons 'in' them and find that to be a main excuse for some people to continue to sin, by blaming their own lusts on an indwelling demon - as was discussed at length not long ago here.

I'm not posting in anger - I just pray you read the tone and contents of your post a second time - to see how it may read to anyone who has come here to hear these men's featured sermons and messages.

 2011/5/18 9:37









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The thing that has always blessed me about Milton Green is that if you needed prayer he would not ask you what your theology was before you prayed. When someone was asking for help, that was the farthest thing from his mind.

It is refreshing to see a company of brethren on this site that appreciate and confirm Milt's ministry to the hurting.

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A777

 2011/5/18 9:49
RobertW
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Brother, your post on this previous page was indeed very hard on Tozer with your saying that there's so much more you 'could' post, instead of photoshopping and you did put down Ravenhill. I don't know why your exibiting this anger now, when your words against them are easy enough to read.



This is another mischaracterization. You are accusing me of being angry and I am not angry in the least. This is my settled view of these things after much sincere contemplation. I am not shooting from the hip. I did not put down Ravenhill, I called attention to how he has handled prayer meetings in videos readily available to anyone to watch and come to their own conclusions. It has not tarnished my appreciation for him as a man of God, it has brought context to how I have in the past viewed the man.

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As far as Robison's "deliverance" - this was brought up by Anonymous777 as him having demon(s) being 'cast out' of him.



Nowhere have I ever read that James had 'demons cast out of him.' It is my understanding that he was suffering demonic oppression, which is a very different thing.

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I'm not posting in anger - I just pray you read the tone and contents of your post a second time - to see how it may read to anyone who has come here to hear these men's featured sermons and messages.



I typically reread what I have written several times to make sure with the best of my ability that they are not misconstrued. I have been on this site for a very long time and we have discussed men of God on this sites on a number of occasions. This thread is only different in your added insistence to inflame the thing. This is a discussion forum. If we can't be honest in our discussions what is the point?



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