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DoulosQuinn
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 Re: castration

The only verse that flies through my mind are about Abraham "blessing" his sons on his death bed, about Simeon & Levi's "cursed anger" I have never met men in my nation that would be possessed by such hatred that the could even think if having someone tied up. gripping their hair, and feeling the heat like a shower, of sticky blood as the use a knife to fully remove a head, from a man made in GOD's image.

Tell Sally Fields, who blamed men for war during Bush's Iraq action, how an angry woman demanded on a serving plate made to enjoy food, to display my brother John the baptist's head. Women like that would rather use their daughters like harlots to manipulate men by lust in sin before GOD, then allow a lawful wife that would remove her dominion.

Why would GOD say Ishmael was like a donkey, but in prophesy of what we see today. Why should I prevent what is coming on this land where woman will rule even to their own destruction? Most of those are in churches passing over how GOD says it is a reproach pretending they are blind, or looking to comfort in all the others who ignore it, like GOD uses majority rule, and with clear sign of impending judgement around us, PRESS ON harder then ever...so like those buying and selling in Jerusalem in 69 AD, and those shouting for the arch of the covenant before the Philistines when GOD was willing to defile what meant so much to HIM to whack Eli's sons, selling HIS people for no gain, seeing children HE lovingly formed have their head dashed on rocks.

I have many times tried to stand, and been washed out, like Jeremiah. I want to be like Jonah and walk away, and watch HIM do what I can not, maybe I will complain, but at least something will get done.

I appreciate all the Love HE has revealed in the saints and disciples here, I detect the fragrance of Christ here everything, thats why I come back when the floods bring confusion, and intimidation WITHOUT being backed up by HIS WORD, this definitely is a power or principality that is very powerful beyond me, that is not yielding to the Truth of GOD's WORD, but pressuring submission to corral the masses down the broad-road...I don't have the Urim & Thumim. I have some knowledge, and some wisdom...but it we contend in the Spirit of the Law...HIS vicory will come..not by power, nor by might...but by the beloved and blessed HOLY Spirit, who in the unity of peace will draw out the truth = thought captive to Christ = "red alerts" sound in the enemies camp.

I was from 210 to 140lb meth addict when HE won me from my fears, HIS pity was more then I could ever have imagined...so fearful knowing how I "knew" HE shouldn't bother. Anyhow 9 months later I was still pursuing HIM and alternately when I was pressed I ran to meth, bound in association for the state I was in when HE magnified HIMSELF to expose me, and confirmed the cross, HIS staff I pulled away from like a fool, resisting what HE protected me with. I got in a car accident where Satan did me up like you would not believe...3 years later a judgment for 250,000 at 29% interest it is a mountain that I am just going to run and dig a tunnel through so I can hide in a cave hoping the Son of man will pass over me.

I really touched the edge of HIS garment, but the love that makes my heart beat is just a thread, I do not have what is required to yield & compromise with those who contradict HIS WORD, and force myself to pretend that HE expects that to show those who love the world...how much my defilement witnesses HIS love, so that in the end I live in fear of condemnation.

this calling was a vacation from my desire to be a eunich, for a small need HE allowed me to fill, I will go back to stand near the gates of hell, and tempt Satan to kill me, as I shout about the LOVE that saves, as tears and snot run down my face....that is where I belong, like a crib where there is peace I know is promised to someday fully know.

 2010/1/1 16:56Profile









 Re: castration


Interesting Post Quinn, not sure what to make of it. There are some thoughts there to think about I am sure.

 2010/1/1 17:20
DoulosQuinn
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 Re: Mostly its the shame that forces us into subjection

I Kind of wonder about Job's wife. What got her to the point that with everything around her did nothing to get her attention where it should be. He was wealthy, respected, it seems a mighty warrior on behalf of widows and orphans, they had children that loved each other.??? Maybe he was righteous because he did not yield to his wives desire to subject him under her. (I really believe because in Genesis when GOD tells Eve that, and then uses the same word to describe what sin was crouching at Cain's door to do.) I have seen my precious wife's weakness, but passive aggressive hostility has sometimes is a greater injury to love. I have seen some mean ladies fight over property once...So back to Mrs Job,i think Satan must have provoked her against him before the heavenly challenge even came. I wonder where she comforted her pride? Maybe like Ham, she despised his nakedness, or his need to "bow over her."
I really see women under pressure tend to use sex to establish dominion, like Jezebel using what GOD gave for her beauty to manipulate men to do her will. I kind of think because of the hatred of fallen man that GOD put the drive of the flesh to be stronger then lust for murder, to protect women, and kids. I have seen the most fear-filled women cling to the most violent men...and yet attempt to exercise dominion. Even Delilah used the vessel GOD had prepared for her, in an ugly way against Samson.

I brought it before The LORD today, and I believe that HE let me see the dark hatred of what whore mongers are capable of, taking what GOD made to protect women, and actually hating them for it with boundless humiliation terrorizing them. I remember how the soldiers in Uganda, go cut women's brests & lips off...MY FIRE WAS KINDLED thinking what I would do if I saw it about to happen!
Truly I think that GOD is hurt deeply by that, and the cries that are not answered. Yet I know of even Pastor's wives that are very manipulative, and imagine that the idea to humiliate their husbands is common. I bet if Barna could take stats, that is why there a great percent of porn watching church goers that are bound up in a guilty conscience before GOD, to cowardly to take another wife for fear of reproach, but bound by GOD's desire to not divorce, for sake of its representation of HIM. Without a doubt all the shame & disrespect exploited can only be capitalized on in intimacy. I imagine these women, like Penina need to be put in the place by women like Hannah, the mother of Samuel, so that men could bear to love these little ones, who are drunk with vindictive weaponry.

Really if elders, and deacons are supposed have only one...others are free. But some unbiblical culture in our roots, excluded multiple marriage with reproach, eventually demanded men to not be recognized as the head of the household, to sit alone in the gates of our cities, speak up in church for error/clarification, and even fight wars against our enemies. This oppression I think does press even mighty men like David among us to be rolled over daily by Mical's, so in the mean time the Philistines are surrounding us. Yet GOD would let them take a help mate like Abigale, that would gird them with strength, and let the Mical's bear their reproach until they repent, rather then use GOD's WORD in the letter of the law to cast shame on righteous men, as if their need for intimate affection is vile, and fully selfish like the men of the world who have no love. GOD has expected from us as husbands to love, not to surrender our love for GOD, by using what GOD has given, and commanded to wrangle them to death for reign.

I think to be free of marriage is better truly, but I am not nor do I really want to abandon her to her terrors, but since she first taunted me to get married to someone else, I have not found any reason in HIS WORD to not follow through, and see if GOD who can do all things make her eat her words, for her own good. Rachel yelled at Jacob about Leah's blessing from GOD, saying "give me I child or I die" so she did, and she did...it was a miracle, Benjamin. But in the end Jacob loved the one who was GOD's choice, and asked to be buried with her.

 2010/1/1 21:10Profile
BenBrockway
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 Re:


Quote:

"...and see if GOD who can do all things make her eat her words, for her own good."



We serve a God who loves His people. He would do no such thing to your wife.

 2010/1/1 22:26Profile
DoulosQuinn
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 Re: Someone asked me:

I know that GOD wants godly seed raised, HE loves souls. Wives learn the cross through child birth, like men learn it through marriage. I cry, and am not ashamed of it, I love to embrace my brothers always, a real man hug, I know it love I desire from HIM. I also have passion for intimacy, but one experience that was never covered over, when I found myself trying to comfort my wife in her anger with affection and been cut to the heart, with filthy accusation, that ought not to be, and repents me from bring her on me. She many times saying she was leaving to be with another man would taunt me, saying GOD would require me to remain single, unless I straightened my "SH" out. This plus other low blows, have made me feel cheap, and I am sure that I should leave her barren, but I don't believe GOD would steal all my desire to sing scripture to my kids. She has hate, and has never come to me to resolve injuries, and has hinted that things she has done were warranted. I really am growing cold, and I did stop all my evangelism, for the last nine months, minus works prepared before me, which has been ok, but I have felt AWOL, and what do I do which verses like in Timothy charging me to stoke the fire. I also have left most studies at this point thinking money seems to appease her. Truly I can live with her and never need to have intimacy.

Even my love in Christ for her, so hope GOD will reprove her before she answers for it, when there is no more opportunity to change.

 2010/1/1 22:29Profile
BenBrockway
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 Re:

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GOD has expected from us as husbands to love, not to surrender our love for GOD, by using what GOD has given, and commanded to wrangle them to death for reign.



This is a bit confusing....

Are you saying, by the last bit of your statement, that God has commanded man to reign, in a very commanding way, over our wives?

I sure hope that this isn't what you are saying.

 2010/1/1 22:34Profile
ginnyrose
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 Re: Someone asked me:

Doulos,

Would your wife be willing to go to a counselor WITH you? According to your post she has been hurt. That hurt can morph to extreme anger that will kill any love she may have had for you.

Again I urge you go find someone who believes in the permanence of marriage and do not delay. In the meantime you must abandon ALL thoughts of getting another wife. As long as you even remotely consider that an option, the devil has his foot in the door, and you will hinder God's working in your life.

God bless you and your wife and will pray for you both,

ginnyrose


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 2010/1/1 22:50Profile
BenBrockway
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 Re: Someone asked me:

Quote:

Wives learn the cross through child birth, like men learn it through marriage.



I don't believe this to be accurate Quinn. Both men and women learn to lay their lives down for one another in marriage. I don't think it is accurate to say that a woman learns to lay her life down in child birth.

Also, there are many women, because of the sinful nature of humanity, that will say things, mean things, when they are hurt. In those moments of their weakness they feel insecure, unloved, fragile and uncertian. Unfortunately my wife has done this ALOT to me. Is it right? No! However, because of our sinful nature, for many this is a process and a growing time for each other. It takes time for a woman to completely feel like she can trust her man without a single doubt.

Remember that she said those things because she was hurt by what you said or did. Does it make it right? No. But you also have to consider that probably what you said or did was wrong, too. Marriage is a partnership, and I'm guessing that you both are to blame for how your marriage has ended up. I'm not saying any of this to attack you, but just to share that what you're going through wasn't just her doing. You both contributed to the circumstances you're in.

I would, again, highly recommend seeking Christian counsel in your area and talk it over one on one with them.

God Bless,
Ben

 2010/1/1 22:52Profile
savannah
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 Re: THE NEED OF THE HOUR

THE NEED OF THE HOUR IS...

John 17:1-3 These words spoke Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. And this is life eternal, that they may know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.

Do you have Life Eternal?
Do you know Him, 'Who Is',the Only True God?
Do you Know Him through His Sent One Jesus, having been given to Him by God His Father, and been placed into Christ( 1 Cor. 1:30,31 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who from God is made to us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord) by His Holy Spirit?

1 John 5:20,21 And we know that the Son of God hath come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

1 John 5:9-13 If we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is greater; because this is the testimony of God which He has testified concerning His Son.
He that believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself; he that does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony which God has testified concerning His Son. And this is the testimony: that God has given to us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He that has the Son has life; he that does not have the Son of God does not have life. These things I write to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may believe in the name of the Son of God.

1 John 2:25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

His Word to you and all,

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments; and his commandments are not grievous.

Gal. 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.

2 John 1:6 And this is love, that we walk according to his commandments. This is the commandment, that as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

1 John 4:8 He that loveth not, knoweth not God; for God is love.

Doulos,

According to your words(testimony)in this thread I doubt you know Him,the Only True God. The same may be true of your wife.

As He says, "Love has patience, is kind; love is not envious; love is not vain, is not puffed up; does not behave indecently, does not pursue its own things, is not easily provoked, thinks no evil; does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices in the truth. Love quietly covers all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never fails (1 Cor. 13:4-8).

2 Cor. 6:2 For He says, "In an acceptable time I heard you, and in a day of salvation I helped you." Behold, now is the acceptable time! Behold, now is the day of salvation!

May we all, all those who know Him,

O come, let us worship and bow down; let us kneel before Jehovah our Maker. For He is our God; and we are the people of His pasture, and the sheep of His hand.


Today, if you will hear His voice, do not harden your heart as in the day of strife, as in the day of testing in the wilderness.When your fathers tried Me, they tested Me and they saw My work. For forty years I was disgusted with this generation; and I said, They are a people who err in heart; and, They do not know My ways, to whom I swore in My anger, They shall not enter into My rest. (Ps. 95:6-11)

 2010/1/1 23:48Profile
DoulosQuinn
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 Re: Ben Brockway

Brother Ben, I think we are different pages totally. I am willing to engage on this level if you are willing to give me an honest contextual re-wording for 2 Timothy 2:8-15 please trouble me to expound lightly.

I meant that GOD does not expect husbands to be abused by The WORD. To be wrangled by wives that misuse it to manipulate in hostility, rather then to build up in love.

but Ben, I need you to back up the verse about women laying down their lives for their husbands...I think the uni-sex bible says that to avoid offending people who deny GOD made us different, with different strengths for HIS glory. But anyone who is offended of Christ, or HIS WORD's...well read that last part for yourself, I really don't want any hostility here, I need those men who are mighty in the WORD to help me take captive some confession. I plead, in Jesus name...like a weak brother that won't eat meat, I am hurt and want to hope that HE has not abandoned me to endless strife, where I should be able to be restored. I had my wife tempt me in hostility to marry another woman in The Faith, who is interested in what she sees as worthless, she openly said she doesn't care about the lost, and when she shoved it in my face, I did not to lie for fears sake, yes I would marry another women if GOD allowed it, but it seems the only provision for her to be free to marry is my death, for me I'd prefer that then losing her to all the pain & fear that has her captive from a love I have always longed to share with her, but I see no command against taking a second wife, not for selfish youthful lusts, but to serve with above reproach, pray with, to be in order and under authority, really Paul's opinion in The WORD says anyone with wives should live as if they had none, and I think I could really be restored into the Joy I knew when HE was with me while under great fear, and made HIMSELF strong to uphold me to stand in the gap to reach out to the broken, and my heart is so lonely without a companion who will be there with me, and really has no interest. I backed off so far, and she was pleased to just dwell and watch Hollywood movies and drink some wine, but this would kill me to be trapped there, where I am vexed like Lot in Sodom, called negative for exposing ideas conveyed against The WORD, and I am so alone.

Savanah, are you judging me in regards to salvation before the time when everything is manifest in light? Don't you know you actually judging the Law, and will be put under it by the measure you do? Please every woman hear me, The LORD knows who are HIS, you don't have to be a soldier, or a pastor to remove the reproach of sin, or feel useful when we have been nothing but useless, like any of us who have received Christ. I pray those who are adorned like Sarah would Trust in HIS righteousness in every WORD HE has given even if we don't understand it fully, please I really came to as the scripture say "One man sharpens another, as iron sharpens iron" not threaten anyone who is stumbling over parts of The WORD. HE is love, and everything HE says is for good.

 2010/1/2 3:15Profile





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