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| | Re: | | Interesting... a Calvinist and an Arminian agreeing!
Pack your bags folks... the rapture must be at hand!!
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ccchhhrrriiisss
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| | Re: | | Hi NSCalvinist... Quote:
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The audio recording of the Police say that he was arrested for "trespassing" "disorderly conduct" and "disturbing the peace". They said nothing about not acquiring a permit. Jesse was clearly arrested for preaching the Gospel on public property.
I disagree. Jesse Morrell was arrested for simply NOT obtaining permission (which is a rule on most college campuses). Jesse makes this clear to the news reporter in the second video listed in the first post of this thread. The reporter drilled him with that question, and he left the responsibility of obtaining permission to the police. I find this to be a somewhat dishonest response from a man who has been arrested several times for the same thing.
The bottom line is that Jesse Morrell knows that he needs permission on many campuses...and simply neglected to do so. It has nothing to do with a man who was arrested because of the content of what he preached. Most of us would be upset if a Muslim, Mormon, Jehovah's Witness or atheists stood up on a public school campus and proclaimed their views to our children. We would be even more incensed if those individuals claimed that they were merely exercising "free speech" when they shouted their views on a public school campus.
For a guy who has been arrested several times for the same thing, you would think that he would have gone through the necessary avenues BEFORE he made (and recorded) such a public spectacle. Somehow, I think that this [u]was[/u] his point. He might be making a "free speech" statement by doing this regardless of the University's guidelines. However, he could have done the same thing through a legal petition BEFORE doing it anyway. Besides, "free speech" (as protected by the 1st Amendment) is NOT universal. It does not give a person the "right" to scream "fire" in a crowded restaurant. It does not give someone the "right" to purposely incite a public riot through inflammatory words. It doesn't give a person the "right" to walk into a public school and begin shouting religious views (regardless whether or not those views are correct).
Jesse certainly has a "free speech" right in this nation to preach. However, there are areas in such places where he can do that. In my undergraduate school, the "free speech zone" was located in a highly trafficked place next to the Student Union Building (which draws thousands of students per day). To utilize this privilege, you simply have to log in with the campus police department. They will even provide "security" on your behalf (and it won't cost you a dime)! Jesse has to have known this. I just think that he did this on purpose for some reason. Perhaps he thought that the publicity would be good? If so, I think that there was a hint of deception or "double-mindedness" behind it.
I can't help but think that he could have continued preaching if he would have simply obtained the necessary permit. Then, he wouldn't have been distracted or sidetracked by a "free speech" argument.
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| 2009/11/30 14:55 | Profile |
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Jesse Morrell was arrested for simply NOT obtaining permission
Where did you get this information?
The Police Officer in the video said he was arresting him because it was a private university.
Did I miss something? Can you tell me where in the video the Police Officer even mentioned a permit? All I heard was that he was being arrested because A&M is a private campus.
Besides, Jesse said every other campus in Alabama lets him preach without a permit. It makes sense that he would assume A&M would not be different. But he wasn't even arrested for not getting a permit. It was because the Officer lied and said the campus was private.
I agree with what was posted earlier. The Constitution is all the permit that we need. As Jesse said in the video, you don't need a permit to have the right to a fair trial because that is already your right. The idea of getting a permit to have the right to free speech is unconstitutional. The Constitution is our permit.
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| 2009/11/30 15:00 | |
ccchhhrrriiisss
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| | Re: | | Quote:
TheArminian wrote:
Where did you get this information?
I actually listened to the news report posted by Jesse Morrell. He admitted that he did not seek or obtain a permit when asked by the reporter (although, for some reason, he showed her a parking permit). Of course, I find it odd that he went through the trouble of obtaining a parking permit at a "public university" but refused to obtain a permit to preach anywhere he wanted on campus. He has to know that many "public" schools have guidelines for such demonstrations of "free speech." After being arrested several times, you think that it would have sunk in.
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The Police Officer in the video said he was arresting him because it was a private university.
Did I miss something? Can you tell me where in the video the Police Officer even mentioned a permit? All I heard was that he was being arrested because A&M is a private campus.
I think that the police officer was likely and simply unaware that it was a "public" campus. Although he was wrong in what he said, it is NOT a crime to be incorrect. The bottom line is that Jesse didn't go through the proper avenues to set up his own little "free speech" congregation on that campus. If he had made just a little effort (that probably wouldn't have taken 15 minutes), he wouldn't have been arrested at all.
BTW, are you connected in any way, shape or form with Jesse Morrell? Are you married to him? Are you related to him? Are you affiliated with him? Are you Jesse? I'm not trying to accuse you of this...but it seems just a bit odd that your SermonIndex threads seem to be limited to threads about the guy. I'm not saying that it is wrong, either. However, I do think that it would indicate a predetermined bias in this regard. I think that it would also be somewhat deceptive to act like an "independent voice" on such matters. Of course, you might be an honest and sincere believer who has nothing to do with Jesse Morrell or his work and who just happens to be interested in Jesse's ministry.
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NSCalvinist
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| | Re: | | Paul said that he rejoiced that Christ was preached, regardless of what a person's motives were. Jonah certainly had a bad heart yet God was able to use him to save souls and see a revival. But from what I can tell from the videos, Jesse has good motives. The Police were clearly wrong.
I am glad to read in the comments that Jesse made in the video that the Administration apologized for what had happened. It is good that the administration realized that the Police were wrong.
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| 2009/11/30 15:18 | Profile |
hmmhmm
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| | Re: | | i am just curious, does not the american constitution act as a permission in itself? it seem to a foreigner like myself the rules makes the constitution not always valid if they say no to a permit, if they say no, are they not refusing a citizen their constitutional right then?
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| 2009/11/30 15:20 | Profile |
| | Re: | | Ya know what? I'm not called to preach like these guys are. Not everyone is. But let me say something here about common sense if someone here wants to do what Jesse is doing... especially on college campuses:
GET PERMISSION FIRST.
If they deny you then find out if they let others practice free speech there. If they do... then sue if you think you need to.
But think about this... I live about 2 hours south of Virginia Tech. Remember the tragedy there? Remember the tragedy at Columbine?
Can you blame college campuses for being a bit nervous about allowing anyone and everyone to come in there and start preaching, or whatever it is?
I think it's just considerate to cooperate with the college officials rather than antagonize them. Didn't Paul ask for permission to address King Agrippa?
To just show up there and stir up a crowd without any warning... of course the authorities are going to be highly annoyed.
Get it in writing from the school that they are denying you your rights... and THEN pursue legal action. I think it's incredibly rude and a bad witness to just show up with a bull horn and start in.
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| 2009/11/30 15:25 | |
nizero
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| | Re: News Footage of Preacher Arrested on Alabama A&M Jesse Morrell | | I agree with the notion that Jesse is probably doing this to raise awareness to his ministry and loves the spotlight from local news and media based on the fact that he already knows the rules behind obtaining permits from the public universities.
I also find it strange that he keeps on saying that if they would of told him to get a permit he would of gotten one. When it is apparent that he knows this prior to being arrested or confronted by police. He has been doing this for five years, this is not new to him or anyone in public university evangelism.
He does however have a good point when he says he is against the concept of permits to speak all together because it is unconstitutional to have to obtain a permit for something that he has already been given the right to practice. He states that his permit is the constitution itself. An example of this is that it is unnecessary to obtain a permit to have a fair and just trial when it is already a fundamental right.
I feel if he just stated the above in the beginning he wouldn't seem so misleading. |
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| 2009/11/30 15:27 | Profile |
Leo_Grace
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| | Re: | | Guys,
Before you get all hot and bothered by the discussion here, you should know that NSCalvinist and TheArminian are both accounts of Jesse Morrell. Of course they agree with each other -- they have been doing this in other threads before. Jesse is using these multiple accounts to defend himself here. He is playing with us.
By the way, in his other account JMorrell, he said: "I would sooner become an atheist than to become a Calvinist."
That account was banned so he can't even edit that statement anymore. He's a funny guy pretending to be a Christian. Another memorable quote: "I do this for a living". LOL! Funny how the truth will always come out. |
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| 2009/11/30 15:29 | Profile |
GeorgeFox
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| | Re: | | Quote:
we should send missionaries to China even if it is illegal. We should obey God rather than man as the Apostles said when the authorities forbad them from preaching.
That is a good point. We should preach the Gospel whether we have permission from the authorities or not. |
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