| Poster | Thread | Leo_Grace
Member
Joined: 2009/6/14
Posts: 703
| | Re: | | Quote:
ccchhhrrriiisss wrote:
Hi HeartSong...
So, you think that alternative medical practitioners can diagnose [u]physical[/u] illnesses by looking at the colors of invisible energy fields? And you think that this is a [u]spiritual[/u] work?
It is spiritual work, but not of God. Be careful of such things.
div⋅i⋅na⋅tion [div-uh-ney-shuhn]
noun
1. the practice of attempting to foretell future events or discover hidden knowledge by occult or supernatural means.
2. augury; prophecy: The divination of the high priest was fulfilled.
3. perception by intuition; instinctive foresight.
[i]Dt 18:10-12 [b]Let no one be found among you[/b] who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, [b]who practices [u]divination[/u] or sorcery, interprets omens[/b], engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD, and because of these detestable practices the LORD your God will drive out those nations before you.[/i]
|
|  2009/10/30 14:35 | Profile | ginnyrose
Member
Joined: 2004/7/7
Posts: 7534
Mississippi
| | Re: | | HeartSong,
Are you implying that the use of auras is a legitimate method to diagnose whatever ails you?
ginnyrose
_________________
Sandra Miller
|
| | 2009/10/30 14:38 | Profile | HeartSong
Member
Joined: 2006/9/13
Posts: 3179
| | Re: | | What I am saying is that all of the things that we have been speaking of are spiritual.
What I am also saying is that if you do not believe that the Lord is both willing and able to both provide and protect, then it will be as if He does not exist.
If one does not believe in the invisible, then he can not believe in God.
Quote:
So, you think that alternative medical practitioners can diagnose [u]physical[/u] illnesses by looking at the colors of invisible energy fields? And you think that this is a [u]spiritual[/u] work?
I know nothing of these things that you are speaking of.
You seem to think that physical and spiritual are two different things. They are not. They are two different realms, but they are not two different things. It is possible for something to be spiritual but not physical. But it is not possible for something to be physical without it also being spiritual - for God, who is a spirit, created all things, and is in all things, and all things exist in Him. |
| | 2009/10/30 15:06 | Profile | Leo_Grace
Member
Joined: 2009/6/14
Posts: 703
| | Re: | | Dear HeartSong,
I hope you don't mind if I jump into this discussion.
You said:
Quote:
You seem to think that physical and spiritual are two different things. They are not. They are two different realms, but they are not two different things. It is possible for something to be spiritual but not physical. But it is not possible for something to be physical without it also being spiritual - for God, who is a spirit, created all things, and is in all things, and all things exist in Him.
The physical and spiritual ARE different things. The Bible says so. They are as different as ETERNAL is from FINITE; as different as HEAVEN is from the WORLD; as different as DIVINE is from CARNAL. Your belief sounds more like Buddhism and other eastern philosophies rather than the teachings of God. |
| | 2009/10/30 15:21 | Profile | ccchhhrrriiisss
Member
Joined: 2003/11/23
Posts: 4779
| | Re: | | Hi Heartsong...
Quote:
What I am saying is that all of the things that we have been speaking of are spiritual.
What I am also saying is that if you do not believe that the Lord is both willing and able to both provide and protect, then it will be as if He does not exist.
If one does not believe in the invisible, then he can not believe in God.
No one is saying that they do not believe in the invisible. We don't see the Lord...but we know He is there. How? Most of all, because of our faith in Christ as taught by the Word of God! Yet, within the context of this conversation, we are speaking about [i]physical[/i] matters about a [i]physical[/i] body and [i]physical[/i] illnesses. You can see the body and even the H1N1 virus (with a good microscope).
God could have easily built His own Temple during the time of Solomon. Similarly, God could have continued its upkeep. However, he simply inspired Solomon with the specific physical makeup of that Temple. Solomon built it. The priests then continued to perform its physical upkeep. Jesus said that the sick need a doctor (Matthew 9:12). There were even sick people in the early Church. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think that your argument might be based upon a view that we should leave the maintenance of our body's physical well being [u]entirely[/u] up to the Lord?
Sister, I once read about a believing woman who gave birth to a child, but did not want anyone around to assist her since she claimed that her "faith was entirely in the Lord." She had no doctors, no mid-wifes, and not even a nurse. She and her husband reasoned that they were no longer under the "curse" of Genesis and that God was her "Great Physician." They felt that no other trained individuals were needed. Sadly, there were complications and her child died. In fact, the mother was also close to death.
While this woman might have thought that she was "trusting in God and not in man," I can't help but wonder if she was at least partially responsible for the death of that child. She and her husband didn't take the measures needed to prevent a possibly needless death. After all, God sometimes uses physical means to carry out spiritual goals. After all, the same God who sometimes "raises up nations" can also raise up doctors.
Quote:
I know nothing of these things that you are speaking of.
You seem to think that physical and spiritual are two different things. They are not. They are two different realms, but they are not two different things. It is possible for something to be spiritual but not physical. But it is not possible for something to be physical without it also being spiritual - for God, who is a spirit, created all things, and is in all things and all things exist in Him.
Then why did you comment about the "energy fields?" I was referring to a practice of diagnosing illnesses by looking at invisible "energy fields," not about believing in spiritual things that cannot (or usually cannot) be seen.
As far as the difference between the physical and the spiritual: Have you ever broken a bone? While it might have broken a physical bone, it didn't break the person's spiritual body. Have you considered I Corinthians 15:38-40? "[i]There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another[/i]" (I Corinthians 15:40). I hope this makes a little more sense as to what I was referring to.
_________________
Christopher
|
| | 2009/10/30 15:32 | Profile | MaryJane
Member
Joined: 2006/7/31
Posts: 3057
| | Re: | | Greetings Heartsong
You wrote:Quote:
I agree with you that we should always seek the Lord in every situation first through prayer. Then we must seek to walk out what He has for each of us in this time and situation.
Dear MaryJane,
We are not to "walk out," we are to "walk in."
God bless you sister.
___
Ok sister then we submit ourselves to His will and walk daily in His will for each of us. That still does not change the fact that you are judging others. There is no Biblical support that a believer can not take medicine, or go to a doctor or that they are lacking faith in doing so. This is your conviction and you should walk in it, but for you to hold others to the same conviction that you are seeing as if it is Biblical is wrong. I will be praying for you.
God bless you to
maryjane |
| | 2009/10/30 15:40 | Profile |
| | Re: | | Quote:
And also Chinese companies have not always , to say the least, been ethical when it comes to their manufacturing procedures, and I belive that it is a Chineses company that is one of the five manufacturers.
I suppose our government feels obligated or better to say, a 'deal was made' to purchase as much as possible from China, since they carry so much of our debt. I am not sure if that is accurate, but if it is, how alarming is it that we are getting some of our vaccinations from a communist country! :-(
going to check that out! |
| | 2009/10/30 17:20 | | HeartSong
Member
Joined: 2006/9/13
Posts: 3179
| | Re: | | Quote:
No one is saying that they do not believe in the invisible. We don't see the Lord...but we know He is there. How? Most of all, because of our faith in Christ as taught by the Word of God!
And maybe this is where we differ, for I believe because the Lord has revealed Himself to me - He has shown me His saving power. He has cleansed me of my sin and keeps me on the path of righteousness. It is He, and He alone, that keeps me safe.
I must now bow out of this conversation. Thank you all for your consideration. God bless you. |
| | 2009/10/30 17:26 | Profile | ccchhhrrriiisss
Member
Joined: 2003/11/23
Posts: 4779
| | Re: | | Hi HeartSong...
Quote:
And maybe this is where we differ, for I believe because the Lord has revealed Himself to me - He has shown me His saving power. He has cleansed me of my sin and keeps me on the path of righteousness. It is He, and He alone, that keeps me safe.
I think that all believers can say the same thing...whether they decide to use medicine, vaccines or visit doctors or not.
_________________
Christopher
|
| | 2009/10/30 18:04 | Profile | MaryJane
Member
Joined: 2006/7/31
Posts: 3057
| | Re: | | Greetings Heartsong
I know your no longer posting to this conversation but I just wanted you to know sister that I agree it is God who keeps us and covers us in all situations and provides for our needs. All the credit and glory goes to Him alone. All the praise and thanks goes to Him alone. In every moment of every day I give thanks for the many people in my life that God has used to help me. When my plumbing burst this last summer(my husband was unable to repair it), we prayed and asked God for help. He sent two wonderful plumbers to fix the pipes, and He provided the money as well to cover the charges. When layoff where happening at work this year, we prayed and asked God for His protection for both my son and husband. God provided and they both kept their jobs. When I have had need of prayer for family who were sick and even dying, God sent brothers and sister in Christ to join me in prayer. Such a great comfort to me that was. There are so many times over just the last few weeks that He has been there covering me and protecting me, when I was driving home, I notice the gas light was on and I was on empty. I began praying and the car made it all the way another eight miles to the station where I could get gas. God provided for me then. Just like you sister I to put all my trust and faith in the Lord and I am so thankful for all the many people He uses every day in my life to care for and protect me. Even when my son was sick a few weeks ago. We spent four days in prayer for what the Lord would have us do, and I know He was there with us as we went to the doctor at His urging and then again when we bought the antibiotics that helped him get better. God was there caring for, protecting, and guiding us in all these things! He does keep us safe and He does protect us and there is great comfort in knowing that we have such an awesome loving God. I look forward to sharing with you in other threads soon:-)
God Bless you
maryjane |
| | 2009/10/30 18:40 | Profile |
|
