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God does demand what is impossible for us to ever pay back. Which is why we need Jesus Christ to release us from our debt. If we could ever pay back the debt ourself, Jesus Christ death would be in vain.



Technically we could pay our debt, it would just take an eternity of suffering. But God is merciful and that is why He pardons our debt. If God demanded the payment of our debt, we would all be in hell forever. But God withholds our punishment because of His great kindness.

Jesus provided a substitute for the penalty of the law so that our penalty can be remitted by God's mercy. The atonement makes it possible for our debt of eternal hell to be forgiven.

God does not command of us what is impossible. We are to love Him "with all thy". Therefore our moral obligation is perfectly matched to our ability, no more and no less. God is not a Tyrant, as Pharoah who commanded brick but gave no straw. God never allows temptation to exceed our ability. God is so good!

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I read somthing about sin here and i want to give my two cent advice. The only power to overcome sin in our daily life in as we abide in Jesus daily as the branch abides in the Vine.

The bible is very clear that we should not continue in willful sin.

"For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins." (Hebrews 10:26)

Victory over conscience sin thru the power of the Holy Spirit in a fact in the bible there is no room for assumption.

We may be pretty quick to detect sins of commisions in our life but what about the sins of omissions.Im talking about things that we dont do but neglect like the sin of prayerlesness or the sin of being silent when we must witness about Jesus, not to talk about the sin of ignorance. We may not intent not to do this things, we may be very sincere and if we have a felowhip with God, the blood of Jesus will clease us of all sin and unrighteouness.

There are sins that are very "deadly" to our spirit but there are sins that dont lead to spiritual "death" but that we need to repent for sure because all sin is an abomination for God.



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Why would God get angry at man for not doing that which they can not do?




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For the same reason your bank will get angry at you if you default on your loan and don't pay them back.



This analogy is flawed because you don't quality for the loan unless the bank first sees that you are capable of paying it. The size of your income qualifies you for the size of the loan that you receive.

The same is true with God. It is our ability to obey God that qualifies us for our obligation to obey God. Our obligation is proportation to the size of our ability. The size of your ability is the size of your obligation. Our obligation is "with all thy", so whatever is the extent of your ability is the extent of your obligation.

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Augustine said, "God does not demand impossibilities.” (Joy and Strength, 1929 Edition, p. 192, published by Grosset & Dunlap)

Pelagius said the same thing.

Even a Calvinist like Albert Barnes said that God is not a Tyrant who commands the impossible.

And an Arminian like E. M. Bounds said that God does not command the impossible.

This is something that the Augustinians, Pelagians, Calvinists, and Arminians can all agree on.

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defaulting on a loan is not a necessity, it is not inevitable.
Therefore, it isn't the same reason.



True, defaulting on a loan isn't a necessity and it isn't inevitable. However, we as the seed of Adam are in default with God. Like the parable, we are in such debt there is no hope that we can ever pay back all that we owe... but we still owe. Thankfully, Jesus Christ has paid our debt by His death on the cross.

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Yes, but we put ourselves in debt by choice.



We are born debtors, much like every American child who is already 36,000 in debt the moment he is born.


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If God demanded the payment of our debt, we would all be in hell forever.



Actually, God does demand the payment of our debt. He only shows us mercy because Jesus Christ paid the debt we owed by His sacrifice on the cross. We were redeemed, and "bought with a price" (1 Cor 6:20). We are not merely saved because God decided to have mercy. We are saved because God had mercy on us because of the price Christ paid for us. Without that price being paid, God would show no mercy.


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By the way, welcome back Jesse. I wish when the moderators caused you to go away, you actually would.


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This analogy is flawed because you don't quality for the loan unless the bank first sees that you are capable of paying it



Banks give loans to people all the time that are never qualified for to begin with. One does not have to "qualify," one simply needs one that is willing to lend. And whatever the case, this world was given to Adam who was to be a steward over it. But Adam fell into a debt level that we have all inherited as his offspring.


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Our obligation is "with all thy", so whatever is the extent of your ability is the extent of your obligation.



It depends not on man who wills or man who runs, but on God who shows mercy.


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Our obligation is "with all thy", so whatever is the extent of your ability is the extent of your obligation.

It depends on on man who wills or man who runs, but on God who shows mercy.

This verse is pointing out that man's favorite is not always God's favorite.

Abraham willed or desired that it the promise might be given to Ishmael.
Isaac also willed or desired that the promise might be given to Esau.

This verse is in context with Exodus 33:18-20 & Abraham willing that the promise would come through Ishmael as the context proves Genesis 17:18
Moreover, in Genesis 27 Isaac is willing for Esau to have the blessing and Esau "running" to hunt and make Isaac's favorite meal for the blessing.

God also chooses the one which is not wanted or favored by man.
Jacob wanted Rachel because he favored her more than Leah. But God shown HIS favor on Leah by her child bringing the SEED through Judah.

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