Jesus' obedience to the leading of the Holy Ghost and God , and Himself , does not become our obedience , ever . Jesus' obedience to he great law of ,, Loving the Lord His God with all His heart and all His soul and all His strength , was done ,and perfectly done by Jesus for the Good of God and the whole universe , but this obedience never ,ever , ever , becomes our obedience . We are to the Love the Lord our God with all our hearts and minds and strength . Having the mind of Christ , means taking on the same mind Jesus had as a man , and that was to fulfill all the law of God , which i have already stated here . There is absolutely nothing that God accepts as virtue except obedience to His moral law . Jesus obeyed Becuase it is the ONLY WAY TO ,, WILL GOOD or to Good Will " which is always about God and His Good first . What i am saying is that Jesus' obedience , is never accounted to us as our obedience, Both us and Jesus had to obey God for ourselves . This does however afford a great deal of blessings upon the whole world as a result of this Good will to God that only obedience to the moral law brings Glory to God and good to all the universe . i am rambling and i apologize , hope this helps , Clint

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Clint Demoret

very well stated brother !! All hail the power of Jesus name !! Clint.

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Clint Demoret

getting to the heart of truth is never wasteful , and you are relishing in the fact that you are soooooo smart is not becoming of Christ ... Clint .

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Clint Demoret

Really this whole debate is a big waste of time. What does it matter if a Christian can or can not lose their salvation?

All [b]YOU[/b] need to worry about is whether or not [b]YOU[/b] are walking in a right relationship with God. If you're doing that every day, then you have nothing to worry about.

Things like this have been debated for 2,000 years and it's arrogant and foolish for anyone to entertain the idea that perhaps the debate will be settled here on this forum.

Krispy

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Hi bro & sis,

Those who are predistined according to the forknowledge of God i dont believe they will lose salvation otherwise they whould never have been predistened for eternal life.My question is who are really predestenated for eternal life? The bible says without holiness no man shall see the Lord.It is clear that without indwelling Holy Spirit to sanctify us and the blood of Jesus to cleanse us from sin we are doomed to condamnation.

The bible nowhere talks of easy belief, faith is a journey with lots of perils and dangers along the way to heaven. We are warned to stay vigilant and spiritually awake. The way of salvation is the way of holiness and only the redeemed of the Lord tread on it. Faith wihtout works is dead, a tree without fruit is worthless, an emty cloud without rain is useless for the soil.Its easy to get caught in a theological conversation and defend our views and voice our convictions but difficult to add to faith virtues that will make our election sure. All is by grace, the source of our goodness is God, salvation is not earned but obtained by faith, its a free gift of God. It was finished on the cross for us, we know that.
The danger is that if we who are born again dont obey the moral law of God or the law of the Spirit we become antinomian, if we emphasize good works but neglecting the grace of God we become legalistic.

My theology is simple, "Jesus in me the hope of glory", Jesus indwelling in me is my rightousness, justification, sanctification.Out of Him we are like dry branches, good for nothing, not matter how orthodox is our theology if we are not doing His will we will be on the judgment day on the wrong side with the goats, if Jesus is our Shepherd we will hear his voice and follow Him and if we follow his we will obey Him and grow in grace and knowledge of our Lord.

There is know simple formula of being a christian or being like Christ, most of us are carnal, few spiritual and many spiritualy dead. Assurance of salvation comes from the Holy Spirit witness and the word of God, only those who love God and their bro & sis with a clean heart can say with confidence that their destination is heaven and their election is sure.

God bless,

Redi

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i just read this is 2nd timothy i hope it helps maybe this discussion.

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,ch.1

12 For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.ch.1

4 No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.
ch. 2

[i]Is it possible for a Christian to lose his salvation because of sins he commits?

by RC Sproul

The question of losing one’s salvation is one that is a matter of great controversy within the household of Christian faith. There are many Christians who live in mortal fear every day of losing what they have found in Christ because the Bible gives serious warnings about falling away, and Paul himself says that he has to be very careful lest he himself become a castaway. There are biblical warnings about what would happen if we turn our backs on Christ after we’ve come to a knowledge of him.

On the other hand, there are also many Christians who believe that we will, in fact, never fall away, and I’m numbered among that group. I’m persuaded from a study of Scripture that we can have an assurance of our salvation not only for today but for all time. But the assurance that we have, or confidence in our future estate in salvation, must be based upon the right foundations. In other words, if my confidence that I will persevere is based on my confidence that I will not sin, it’s on very shaky ground. One thing the Bible makes clear to me is that even though I am a redeemed person, I will in all likelihood, and inevitably, continue to sin to some degree. If it were up to my strength to persevere to guarantee my future salvation, then I would have very little hope of persevering.

But I’m convinced that the Bible teaches that what God begins in our life, he finishes. Paul teaches, for example, in Philippians, “He who has begun a good work in you will perfect it to the end.” My confidence rests in the fact that Jesus promises to intercede for me daily as my Great High Priest. My confidence for my future salvation rests in my confidence that God will keep his promise and that Christ will intercede for me and preserve me. Again, if it were left to me, I would obviously fall away. I like to look at it this way: I’m walking the Christian life with my hand in God’s hand. If my perseverance depended upon my holding tightly to God’s hand, I would surely fall away because at some point I would let go. But I believe that the Scriptures teach us that God is holding my hand, and because he is holding my hand, I don’t have to fear that I will fall ultimately and finally.

Now that doesn’t mean that Christians don’t involve themselves in serious sins and what we would call in theology “serious and radical fall,” but the issue we’re discussing here is whether a Christian will ever fall totally and finally. In the New Testament John tells us, for example, that “those who went out from us were never really with us,” and that “Christ does not lose those whom the Father has given to him.” So my confidence again rests in the intercession of Christ and God’s ability and promise to hold on to me. In and of myself I am capable of sinning even unto the loss of my salvation, but I’m persuaded that God in his grace will keep me from that.




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