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 Walter

your previous posting is your "opinion", yes?

what do you mean by "one world Governments"?

I've never heard such terminology referenced in geopolitical history, whether it be ancient or contemporary. "Empire" is more appropriate.

and from where do you get this statement?

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He can be from anywhere on the planet, but I believe his nationality will have to be Jewish in origin.



Since when is "being Jewish" a "nationality"? Is this your way of saying that the anti-christ will be Israeli?

Again, I ask, is this your "opinion"? or did you get a Word from the Lord in prayer, or some sort of Divine Revelation?

I think its perfectly legitimate for men and women to voice their opinion on how God will unfold His will, and His design for the world in the coming days, but in my "opinion", its just other "clay vessels" speculating on how everything is going to unfold.

and by the way, I don't if you've noticed, but it seems to me, at this time, the United States of Ameria is the preeminent empire on the global stage today.

 2009/5/15 3:47









 Re: What do you believe about the anti Christ and why?

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What do you believe about the anti Christ and why?



that he's DEAD, he just hasn't hit the ground yet, or more succintly hasnt been chucked into the pit of fire...thats all I know.

How do I know this? The Word of God told me so.

 2009/5/15 3:51









 Re: Walter




Will the Beast (antichrist) be of Hebrew / Israeli/Jewish decent?

My answer comes from God's Word. There is so much wackiness out there today, with "thus saith the lord" christians, who not only have the Holy Spirit in them, but also Satan, whispering in their ears. Scripture is the only way to find the answers we seek in regard to end time events prophesized in detail in God's Word. The Bible is also the only thing to compare whatever the "Holy Spirit" is revealing to us, in these last days of deception & deceit

I believe that the Beast (anthchrist) will be of Hebrew/Israeli descent. The Jews today are ready to start the daily sacrifice's, all they need is a Temple. They have discovered through DNA that Jews with the last name of Cohen are Levites. In the past several years they have bred the red heffer. All of their instruments required for temple sacrifice, as well as the clothing that the levite priests will wear is ready. All of the Prests are trained and ready to start. All they are all waiting for is the Temple. Antichrist will provide them the temple, and then when it is finished, 3/12 years into the Tribulation, he will demand worship.

Dan 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all. (KJV)

This is the hard core verse that describes the beast (antichrist) and his characteristics.

[b]Note here that "Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers." The phrase "God of his fathers" is used only six times in the bible - In all those instances it refers to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

2Ki 21:22
2Ch 21:10
2Ch 28:25
2Ch 30:19
Dan 11:37

In these verses the word LORD is used. This is the a translation representation of the word JEHOVAH[/b]

Here is what Easton’s Bible Dictionary states:
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Lord

There are various Hebrew and Greek words so rendered.

(1.) Heb. Jehovah, has been rendered in the English Bible Lord, printed in small capitals. This is the proper name of the God of the Hebrews. The form “Jehovah” is retained only in Exo_6:3; Psa_83:18; Isa_12:2; Isa_26:4, both in the Authorized and the Revised Version.

(2.) Heb. 'adon, means one possessed of absolute control. It denotes a master, as of slaves (Gen_24:14, Gen_24:27), or a ruler of his subjects (Gen_45:8), or a husband, as lord of his wife (Gen_18:12).The old plural form of this Hebrew word is 'adonai. From a superstitious reverence for the name “Jehovah,” the Jews, in reading their Scriptures, whenever that name occurred, always pronounced it 'Adonai.

(3.) Greek kurios, a supreme master, etc. In the LXX. this is invariably used for “Jehovah” and “'Adonai.”

(4.) Heb. ba'al, a master, as having domination. This word is applied to human relations, as that of husband, to persons skilled in some art or profession, and to heathen deities. “The men of Shechem,” literally “the baals of Shechem” (Jdg_9:2, Jdg_9:3). These were the Israelite inhabitants who had reduced the Canaanites to a condition of vassalage (Jos_16:10; Jos_17:13).

(5.) Heb. seren, applied exclusively to the “lords of the Philistines” (Jdg_3:3). The LXX. render it by satrapies. At this period the Philistines were not, as at a later period (1Sa_21:10), under a kingly government. (See Jos_13:3; 1Sa_6:18.) There were five such lordships, viz., Gath, Ashdod, Gaza, Ashkelon, and Ekron.

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[color=CC0000]If the antichrist / beast was Arab it would mean that he would only disregard the God of his FATHER.. singular. Not plural as the verse in Daniel states. Arabs are of the seed of Abraham, singular. FATHERS is plural and refer to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Who is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob? JEHOVAH as stated above aka LORD in the other five verses presented. Scripture defines scripture.[/color]

[b]Here is another point regarding the Antichrist being hebrew...

Gen 49:17 Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward. (KJV)

This verse is taken from the prophecies of Jacob to his children in the last days.

Gen 49:1 And Jacob called unto his sons, and said, Gather yourselves together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last days. (KJV)

Note here that Jacob states “which shall befall you in the last days.” So Jacob is talking about the days in which we live in, not the days of his children. These are the last days…today.

It has been taught and I for one stand on this also believed that the Beast (antichrist) will come from the tribe of Dan.

It is seen here that a person from the tribe of Dan will be a serpent thus allowing the rider, who is described as Israel, to fall backwards.

Side note, who is the Serpent??? Easy, it is the enemy aka the Devil aka Satan.

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Rev 20:2 - 3 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

To FALL BACKWARDS is another form of saying to BACKSLIDE. So someone from the Tribe of Dan who is a SERPENT will make the nation of Israel fall from grace in a sense backslide.

The tribe of Dan is also not mentioned in the 144,000 of all the tribes of Israel, the very same ones who will spread the Gospel during the tribulation.

Rev 7:4 - 8 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed a hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. Of the tribe of Judah were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Naphtali were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Zebulun were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

Note… no Dan in the 144,000.

Note that the person is from the Tribe of Dan who also happens to be an Israeli or Hebrew (i.e. of Jewish descent).

Sincerely,

Walter[/b]

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[b]NATAN4JESUS SAID

He can be from anywhere on the planet, but I believe his nationality will have to be Jewish in origin.
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Since when is "being Jewish" a "nationality"? Is this your way of saying that the anti-christ will be Israeli?

Again, I ask, is this your "opinion"? or did you get a Word from the Lord in prayer, or some sort of Divine Revelation?

I think its perfectly legitimate for men and women to voice their opinion on how God will unfold His will, and His design for the world in the coming days, but in my "opinion", its just other "clay vessels" speculating on how everything is going to unfold.

and by the way, I don't if you've noticed, but it seems to me, at this time, the United States of Ameria is the preeminent empire on the global stage today. [/b]





 2009/5/15 11:22









 Re: Fruitless Walter, just fruitless

I wlll be perfectly frank with you,and firm, there is a spirit of fleshly religious pride so firmly camped out in the garrisons of your soul, that this will be my last posting with you. How dare you, in your pride, SLANDER other struggling saints with this poisonous bit of rhetoric:

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There is so much wackiness out there today, with "thus saith the lord" christians, who not only have the Holy Spirit in them, but also Satan, whispering in their ears.



preceding that foul assumption is this statement to my query about how you ascertain that the anti-christ will be "Jewish":

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My answer comes from God's Word.



and you utilize The Book of Daniel, as to the ethnic identity of the anti-christ!

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I believe that the Beast (anthchrist) will be of Hebrew/Israeli descent.



Of course you do. and you get there with not only with faulty flimsy exegesis, but also an "I believe".

Men and women can slice and dice, and interpet and misinterpet the Bible 3 dozen different ways of Sunday, but none has the courage, just to say, "I don't know, God does, I'll leave it up to Him".

Why this great concern, and bandwidth expended on trying to ascertain who or what or when the antichrist will come?

What gain comes from that? What unity and love IN Christ comes from such a dialogue, especially when it allows fleshlings soaked thru and thru with religious pride and a whole lot of head knowledge a chance to show off their "great learning"?

what gain? what edification? what building up of the Body of Christ is there in such?

Would to God He empty you of this mind knowledge, hence your pride, burn you out of self, make you humble and meek as a child, to the point where you know NOTHING, but "Christ and Him crucified". Paul recognized this need, Jesus spoke of it, take it to prsyer and argue with it with Paul and Jesus, thats my prayer for you.

otherwise, I give you the "floor", opine and slander the saints (and Jews) all you desire.

neil

(later addition) Walter, I did re-read the Book of Daniel immediately after writing this post, and these two verses impacted me greatly:

"And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?

And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end." Daniel 12:8-9 (KJV)

and thats all I have to say in this thread.


 2009/5/15 13:00
nearthecross
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Joined: 2009/5/13
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 Re:

Anonymity,

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I would also possibly say though that the swinging tides or religions has always been something. Also many of these so called Muslims are such a way because they are forced by their government to call themselves that or they cant go to college ect, they are born into it or something and are merely nominal Muslims, and other things.



True. But isn't that the way it's always been with every religion and government? The nominal, lukewarm followers end up being controlled and manipulated by the radical minority...

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In the mean time I would like to know what you have to say about this question. Muslims would never receive a man who calls Himself God like the anti Christ so why do you think that Islam or Syria will be the nation from which anti Christ comes from?



Well...before anything, it's necessary to understand a few things:
1) The antichrist will not declare himself to be God right off the bat. As I see it in the Scriptures (and as is the prevalent view today), the antichrist will rule for 3 1/2 years. Then, and only then, in what is known by most as the middle of the Tribulation, will the abomination desolation occur (Dan. 9:27;12:11, Mat. 24:15, 2 Thes.2:4), in which the antichrist will "profane" the temple and declare himself to be God.

2) The antichrist will undoubtedly be a man of great power and influence. As I had mentioned before, the Muslims are awaiting the coming of Imam Mhadi, the Islamic redeemer. If the Muslim nations see the coming antichrist as the very personification of their prophesied "redeemer", they will no doubt follow him to the death.

3) The antichrist's dominion will in a large degree be the result of the influence of the false prophet (Rev 13:11-17). Islam is also waiting for the return of Isa, the "Jesus" of the Qu'ran. Isa will show up on the secene with lying signs and wonders and atribute them to the Mhadi.

Something interesting to consider: In Revelation 13:2, the beast is said to have the feet of a bear. In the vision of Daniel 7, the second beast is said to be like a bear; the bear represents the Medo-Persian Empire. I won't get too much into this, but the main thing that is clear from this picture is that the antichrist's kingdom of Rev 13 is founded upon Medo-Persia (which is modern-day Iran). This is really interesting because Syria and Iran are the two main powers of the Middle-East. I don't know if you watch the news much or not, but Syrian president Bashar Al-Assad is often pictured with Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

This being said, it is very possible that the false prophet will come from the Shia branch of Islam supported by Iran.

I was recently reading the following from a [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_Islam]Wikipedia article[/url] on Isa's second coming:

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According to Islamic tradition, Jesus' descent will be in the midst of wars fought by the Mahdi ("the rightly-guided"), known in Islamic eschatology as the redeemer of Islam, against the Antichrist (al-Masīh ad-Dajjāl, "false messiah") and his followers. Jesus will descend at the point of a white arcade in Damascus, dressed in yellow robes - his head anointed. He will then join the Mahdi in his war against the Dajjal. Jesus, considered in Islam as a Muslim, will abide by the Islamic teachings. Eventually, Jesus will slay the Dajjal, and then everyone from the people of the book (ahl al-kitāb, referring to Jews and Christians) will believe in him. Thus, there will be one community, that of Islam.[



Notice that Isa is prophesied by Muslims to appear in Damascus (Syria). Another important note is that that Isa will aid the Mhadi in his WARS against a certain "antichrist". Interesting as well in many respects. Most folks beleive the reign of the biblical antichrist will be characterized by peace, but all throughout the Bible the opposite is stated--his reign will be characterized by much war.

In addition to a promised redeemer, Islam also believes that an "antichrist" will appear. The Mhadi (real antichrist) will be against Dajjal (a supposed antichrist). And who could Islam's version of the antichrist be? (Assuming there is some truth to this Islamic prophecy, of course) What leader will the Mhadi be fighting against? Who knows...the Pope perhaps...or maybe even an American president?

4)Okay...got a little side-tracked, but back to the point I was trying to make. The last thing we need to consider is that, for those who have believed in the antichrist and in the lying signs and wonders of the false prophet:

"...God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
(2 Thes. 2:11-12)

Thus, given the aforementioned reasons--that the antichrist's declaring himself to be God will not be immediate, that he will be a man of great authority and influence, that the false prophet's deceitful miracle-working ministry will serve to sway public opinion in his favor, and that the ones who believe in him will be given over to a lie--it would seem more than plausible that Islam would openly embrace this man even after he blasphemes by claiming to be Deity.

 2009/5/15 17:24Profile









 Re: Charismania answered!



To Natan4Jesus:

Brother, I will be very frank with you. Today, much of the charismatic body of Christ is filled with flesh and pride and error. Any Christian who prophesizes (speaks for the Lord) anything that does not come true (come to pass) is a false prophet. In Leviticus, God tells us that they should be stoned to death.

Deuteronomy 18:18-22
18. I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
[b]20. But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. 21. And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken? 22. When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.[/b]

[color=CC0000]Have you or any of your charismatic friends ever uttered a “prophecy” that did not come true? I have heard multitudes of them, starting with the horrors that awaitated us following Y2K. Do you remember any of them? Do you remember who the false prophets were? I do![/color]

There are two kinds of false prophets:

1) The first, the lying false prophet, announces events or says things that do not come true. He is obviously a false prophet
(Deuteronomy 18:20-22). The penalty in Old Testament times was death for false prophets (18:20). This kind of false prophet is the most easily recognized and least dangerous of the two.

2) The second kind of false prophet is more deceptive (Deuteronomy 13:1-3). He is impeccable in his words at first. An exhortation comes to pass. No fault can be found with his speech. Nevertheless, over time he draws the hearts of the people away from the Lord God Almighty. Finally, he leads them off to serve other gods. This kind of person is very dangerous, indeed the more dangerous of the two.

There are four kinds of False Prophecy:

Most of us are inclined to forget that there are false prophets. However, the frightening facts are these: there are at least two kinds of false prophets and four kinds of false prophecies. The details of these false prophecies are listed in Jeremiah 14:14.

1)[b]False Visions.[/b] These may come from the evil heart of the false prophet, or they may come from an evil spirit that controls him. The false visions are truly "seen" by the false prophet, but their source is devilish.

2) [b]Divinations.[/b] This is another form of false prophecy. Diviners may examine the entrails of animals or how rice floats in water. Or they may use a thousand other ways to divine. But their information is finally false even though some things may appear to be true, and entrapment of the simple is made easy. True prophets of God do not read palms or witch water. Joseph Smith is an example of a false prophet who used a "seer stone" for divination.

3)[b]Idolatries.[/b] This breaking of the first of the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:3) is the third form of false prophecy. Idols in themselves are nothing, nothing at all (Jeremiah 10:1-5). However, if they are seized by demons, then the idols reflect the power of the demons involved. The Ten Commandments explicitly forbid idols or graven images of any kind. When demons empower the idols, it is not long before prophecies emerge from the demons. We dare not have anything with such demons (1 Corinthians 10:21). Their prophecies are false.

4)[b]Delusions. These are the final kind of false prophecy that I believe is alive and well on this earth today, and especially found in the charasmatic movement- delusions of the mind. They are not necessarily from the devil; they may simply be fabricated by the persons themselves. They are still false, however, and very dangerous. And we recall again that false prophets were under severe judgment in the Old Testament. Jeremiah reminds us that even though false prophets prophesy and say all kinds of fascinating things, the Almighty is saying, "I did not send them" (Jeremiah 14:15).[/b]

[color=990000]“The Holy Spirit will lead the believer into all truth”—John 16:13—I do believe this, however we are not like Christ. Christ, even though He was God almighty, laid His Godhead aside, and operated in the power of the Holy Spirit during his incarnation on this earth, but he had the Holy Spirit within him BEYOND (without) measure.

The difference between Christ and Christian believers is that Christ had the Holy Spirit without measure, at all times, while we have the Spirit with measure, at all times, until the rapture, when we will truly be like Him, Then we will have the Holy Spirit without measure as well.[/color]

John 3:34
34. For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him

The Christian believer today has the Holy Spirit living inside of him. However his own flesh & sin nature still has access to his mind, as well as Satan. Satan still has access to the Christian, as well as the heathen, to tempt him, and to whisper falsehoods in his ear, just like he did to Eve, just like he did to Jesus.

God has given us His Word, so that we can compare what we hear to the Anvil, the Bible, where all truth can be found and compared against.

[b]God has even magnified His Word above His Name![/b]
Psalms 138:2
2.I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth:[b] for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.[/b]

[b]That is the missing link in the Church today- The study of God’s Word, and the understanding of the Doctrine taught in God’s Word[/b]

2 Timothy 2

1. Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.
2. And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.
[b]15. Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. 17. And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; 18. Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
19. Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.[/b]

[b][color=CC3300]Now, by the use of Scripture, Please go back to my initial post on this thread, and refute what I posted, line by line from the Bible. God has provided us with prophecy throughout Scripture about end time events. And those end time events all focus around Israel, and around Jerusalem specifically---Zechariah 12:2----
2.Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.[/color][/b]


Sincerely,

Walter

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Natan4Jesus wrote:
I wlll be perfectly frank with you,and firm, there is a spirit of fleshly religious pride so firmly camped out in the garrisons of your soul, that this will be my last posting with you. How dare you, in your pride, SLANDER other struggling saints with this poisonous bit of rhetoric:

Quote:
There is so much wackiness out there today, with "thus saith the lord" christians, who not only have the Holy Spirit in them, but also Satan, whispering in their ears.



preceding that foul assumption is this statement to my query about how you ascertain that the anti-christ will be "Jewish":

Quote:
My answer comes from God's Word.



and you utilize The Book of Daniel, as to the ethnic identity of the anti-christ!

Quote:
I believe that the Beast (anthchrist) will be of Hebrew/Israeli descent.



Of course you do. and you get there with not only with faulty flimsy exegesis, but also an "I believe".

Men and women can slice and dice, and interpet and misinterpet the Bible 3 dozen different ways of Sunday, but none has the courage, just to say, "I don't know, God does, I'll leave it up to Him".

Why this great concern, and bandwidth expended on trying to ascertain who or what or when the antichrist will come?

What gain comes from that? What unity and love IN Christ comes from such a dialogue, especially when it allows fleshlings soaked thru and thru with religious pride and a whole lot of head knowledge a chance to show off their "great learning"?

what gain? what edification? what building up of the Body of Christ is there in such?

Would to God He empty you of this mind knowledge, hence your pride, burn you out of self, make you humble and meek as a child, to the point where you know NOTHING, but "Christ and Him crucified". Paul recognized this need, Jesus spoke of it, take it to prsyer and argue with it with Paul and Jesus, thats my prayer for you.

otherwise, I give you the "floor", opine and slander the saints (and Jews) all you desire.

neil

(later addition) Walter, I did re-read the Book of Daniel immediately after writing this post, and these two verses impacted me greatly:

"And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?

And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end." Daniel 12:8-9 (KJV)

and thats all I have to say in this thread.




 2009/5/16 14:11









 Re:

I find these verses coming from GOD in the flesh to be heart breaking. Actually the whole of John 5, but this last verse mostly -


Joh 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
Joh 5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
Joh 5:41 I receive not honour from men.
Joh 5:42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: [b]if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.[/b]


Robertson and others concur that this is prophetic of antiChrist -

" If another come (ean allos elthēi). Condition of third class (ean and second aorist active subjunctive of erchomai). Note allos, not heteros, like allon Iēsoun in 2 Corth 11:4. Similar prophecies occur in Mark 13:6, Mark 13:22 (Matt 24:5, Matt 24:24), all general in character like Antichrist in 2Thess 2:8-12. "

 2009/5/16 22:48
crsschk
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 Re:

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Why this great concern, and bandwidth expended on trying to ascertain who or what or when the antichrist will come?



Neil, if it does not interest you then there is no need to get involved with the discussion.

Good grief man, listen to yourself speaking here of late ...


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Mike Balog

 2009/5/17 0:22Profile









 Re: I see that my previous post was not well received. Maybe it was to long? So I will try to clarif

I see that my previous post was not well received. Maybe it was to long? So I will try to clarify and respond to some of the statements in my original post.

1 I never put much stock in the bible code ether but considering the other information pointing to the High Representative. . Dr Javier Solana, previously the Secretary‐General of NATO since 1995 is now the High Representative for the Common Foreign and Security Policy and the Secretary‐General of both the Council of the European Union (EU) and the Western European Union (WEU). He was also the winner of
The International Charlemagne award in 2007.

This position of high rep. was created of with section 666 of the codified Europa documents. In 2000 Dr Javier Solana under, (recommendation 666, recommending action back to himself), was given emergency powers that even the E.U. Pres. does not have. It states that if he declares a state of emergency he gains control of the 10 member nations’ militaries of the European Union.


Daniel 7:23-25 (New International Version)
23 "He gave me this explanation: 'The fourth beast is a 4th KINGDOM that will appear on earth. It will be different from all the other kingdoms and will devour the whole earth, trampling it down and crushing it. 24 The TEN HORNS are TEN KINGS who will come from this kingdom. After them ANOTHER KING will arise, DIFFERENT from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings. 25 He will speak against the Most High and oppress his saints and try to change the set times and the laws. The saints will be handed over to him for a time, times and half a time. [a]
I want you to note the difference in the high rep. he is not an actual leader of a country but he has BEN GIVEN more power than all of the other leaders. There is also a web sight where you can get more info. Than you can possibly research just Google statewatch on line. They deal with civil liberties world wide. Try to research Yugoslovia.Also in what the E.U.’s parliament called a coop Dr Javier Solana past an initiative that hid over 1000 documents that were public knowledge. This went directly against the modified Brussels treaty. Dr Javier Solana also made an agreement with the U.S. State department to hide all agreements between the U.S. and the E.U. When I went to a link to look at this doc. All of the info. I was researching and the histories of the sources were pulled off my computer.


This is one of the organizations on statewatch look at what they say.


I.C.A.M.S. – International Campaign against Mass Surveillance Global security and the "war on terror" now dominate the global political agenda. Driven largely by the United States, a growing web of anti-terrorism and security measures are being adopted by nations around the world. This new "security" paradigm is being used to roll back freedom and increase police powers in order to exercise increasing control over individuals and populations.
Under the public's radar screen, a registration and surveillance infrastructure of global reach is quietly being constructed. It includes the convergence of national and international databases, the creation of data profiles for whole populations, the creation of a global ID system, the global surveillance of movement, and the global surveillance of electronic communications.
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I believe the office of high rep. is the office of the anti-christ. Dr Javier Solana was also tasked with coming up with a new funding instrument in 2007 this is a 7 year agreement. This man has been extremely successful at every thing he does. Some may argue that he would have to be accepted by the Jews as there christ. I would argue that he would have to be accepted by the world as a whole


Benjamin Creme from an Ascended Master known simply as "The Master”. Maitreya claims to be "The Christ" returned, yet there are many aspects of his character and many of his predictions (as given by Creme) which fall in line with the bible's predictions of the coming Antichrist and the events that will surround the end of the age. For instance, Maitreya predicts many natural disasters and a period of violence and destruction prior to earth's entry into the New Age; he warns that the worldwide capitalist financial system will be overturned; he predicts that a new world religion will be established under his guidance and will be aided by a future leader of the CATHOLIC CHURCH. This is the new age religion coming out of the U.N.


If you will look in the beginning of this post you will see that Dr Javier Solana was awarded the


International Charlemagne award in 2007



The union between King Charlemagne and the pope in 800 A.D. was the emergents of the Holy Roman Empire. This union is represented in the E.U. parliament with stain glass that depicts a woman that rides a beast, a painting of a woman that rides a beast, out side a statue of a woman that rides a beast and E.U. STAMPS THAT HAVE A WOMAN RIDING A BEAST.

For defending the life and papacy of Pope Leo III, Charlemagne was thus proclaimed by the church as the head of the Holy Roman
Empire. Such a union between the roman church and roman state was significant, historical and unique

Note it says the head.

The anti-christ will not be a religious leader the bible he will not respect the god of his fathers. This will be something new and all encompassing, remember the whole world will be in awe and worship the beast.


Remember the Benjamin Crème along with Alice Bailey said that a leader from the Catholic Church would help he will not be the leader nor will he be the false prophet. THIS PROSTITUTE IS COMING OUT OF THE MODERN DAY BABYLON THE U.N.

Revelation 17:18 (New International Version)
18The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth."
The U.N.. is in the most influential city in the world .N.Y. city. The woman that rides the 10 horn beast and the beast that come out of the Earth are one in the same. If you look at the symboligy of the 2nd beast in Rev. 13 you will see that it is America also.


Revelation 13:11-12 (New International Version)
The Beast out of the Earth
11Then I saw another beast, coming out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, but he spoke like a dragon. 12He exercised all the authority of the first beast on his behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed.


This beast is a young nation because a lamb is a young animal .Initially it had the character of Christ because Christ is the only thing symbolized by a lamb in the bible but later on it will develop the character of Satan or speak as Satan. Our nation is 233 years old, we sent out more Christian missionaries than any other nation in history, our first text book was the holy bible; our country was blessed because of God’s promises in

Deuteronomy 28

But now our laws speak like MYSTERY
BABYLON THE GREAT
THE MOTHER OF PROSTITUTES
AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus
Revelation 17:5

If you look it was the beast that was like the lamb that was responsible for the saint’s death.
Revelation 13:15 (New International Version)
15He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.
Just recently Pres. Obama said,’ that America in her argents has failed to recognize the leading role of the E.U.
Revelation 13:12 (New International Version)
12He exercised all the authority of the first beast ON HIS BEHALF, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed.
Daniel 7:17 (New International Version)
17 'The four great beasts are four kingdoms that will rise from the earth.



May God baptize our heart with fire? So when the day of the lord comes we will not be offended, so our love will not wax cold, so we will have oil in our jars, so it will not close on us like a trap, so we can buy from Jesus gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see.. Rev.3:18


you know I don’t claim to be very smart. I just know that in the presence of the Holy Spirit God began to tell me things I did not want to hear and as he told me I watched them unfold in front of my eyes. Every time dead on. On C.N.N., the news papers, bible gate way and what he told me about the church is too heavy to carry. There is a church coming out of the U. N. –The new Babylon with a new age church that welcomes
All religions and stays away from divisive truths like so many of our biggest churches in America. If we are not going to stand for truth because it might offend some one and they may leave you church what do you think we will do when faced with death. You may be ready but what about the rest that listen to a shallow easy feel good message every week. All I know is when faced with the possibility of having to go threw death or the death of my children for the testimony of Jesus or having to survive during the trib. period I realized that there no amount of self effort that would bring me threw. The only thing that would do it was God’s Spirit in a way that He was all encompassing. When faced with this question I realized I was not where I need to be.

acts. 7:58-60
stone him. Meanwhile, the witnesses laid their clothes at the feet of a young man named Saul.
59While they were stoning him, Stephen prayed, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit." 60Then he fell on his knees and cried out, "Lord, DO NOT HOLD THIS SIN AGAINST THEM." When he had said this, he fell asleep.

To give you an idea of what level of surrender I was at, not that I am anything. My wife and I had 12 women in our house. These women are women who have struggled with substance abuse and have decided to commit 6 months of their life to Christian discipleship to overcome these strongholds in their lives. We were outreach and youth pastors at a ministry of about 500. We also had our own outreach ministry that goes into inner city areas. You are welcome to check us out at www. voicesofmercy.com or if you would like a more complete study on this mater email me at [email protected] If I was not ready who do you think is? People are funny many times we don’t prepare until we know we have to.



I know the things that are happening now are the things for told in prophecy. The U.N has pasted the alliance of civilizations. The U.S. and the E.U. have past laws to implement this initiative The U.S. past the real I.D. ACT May 11th 2008 .Home land security also is requiring all petrochemical facilities that have maritime access and maritime workers to have a T.W.I.K.’s card .these come straight out of the U.N. under the A.o.C. These things are especially alarming considering the recent Home land security report labeled right wing extremist, listing people with Christian convictions as potential terrorist. Knowing the views and goals of the Strategic Foresight Group that was the think tank behind the A.o.C. : ‘that evangelical and protestant fundamentalist along with radical Islam are an enemy of civilization and should be EXTINGUISHED Another alarming fact is the association of Christian convictions with white supremacy in the home land security report written by Pres. Obama’s new appointee . Considering the relationship of our Pres. with Rev. Jeremiah Wright some one known to operate in black liberation theology which is clearly Marxist and occultist and not Christian. The Pres. went to his church for 20 years.


[T]he expressed aims and efforts of the United Nations will be eventually brought to fruition and a new church of God, gathered out of all religions and spiritual groups, will untidily bring to an end the great heresy of separateness.” —Alice Bailey & Djwhal Khul (Emphasis added)

“[T]he Hierarchy took its stand upon the side of the United Nations and let it be known that it had done so. In doing this, definite physical steps were taken to aid the Forces of Light; men and leaders were carefully chosen and picked disciples were placed in positions of power and of authority. The leaders of the United Nations and of their armies … are able thus to work - consciously or unconsciously - under the inspiration of the Hierarchy. This has been amply demonstrated. On account of this decision of the Hierarchy, Christ became automatically the Leader of these Forces.…

“And the simple-minded are apt to forget that the Christ said, ‘He that is not with me is against me.’” —Alice Bailey & Djwhal Khul (Emphasis added)

we see the two world supper powers working hand in hand. One of which is the revived Roman Empire, a world religion emerging from the U.N. Revelation 17:18 (New International Version)
18The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth."
The U.N. is in New York.


The Dispensation of Human Government, which ran from Noah to Abraham, made man responsible for governing himself when he did wrong. God gave him very basic principles (listed above) to guide him in this, and man was required to keep them. Since man would not listen to his conscience and let it lead him to God, God made mankind as a whole responsible for punishing the sins of individuals and keeping iniquity in check. Of course, in this also man failed, but now he cannot come to God and say he wasn't given a chance to try! Instead of forming a government that was consistent with God and His commands, man developed one that was directly against him. As the one world, global, universal, United Nations, common market, Babel of today, the Babel of 4300 years ago was more concerned about unity and progress than about their sins and God.

Not to mention every one on the planet is calling for a world currency in the middle of a global economic crisis.


I could go on for ever but I do not have the time if any one is really interested I am in the process of putting together a comprehensive report. You can contact me threw the web address in this report and I will send you a copy by email. There is no way to give you the report on this web sight. It is a lot of info. You will want to take the time to study it. I know one thing we will see if it is pre. Or post-trib.soon enough.


John 1:23 (New International Version)
23John replied in the words of Isaiah the prophet, "I am the voice of one calling in the desert, 'Make straight the way for the Lord.'
People get ready!!!!!!!!!!!!
:-(

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 Re:

dmoney, are your beliefs set in stone or are you open at all to other possibilities other than Javier Solana? It would be difficult for anyone to reply if you've got this as your final resolve. It would no longer be a discussion actually, but you just stating your opinion and making that the final answer. I suspect that may be why you've gotten no responses.

 2009/5/18 2:42





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