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sscr01
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 TRADITION

When we replace God's Word with our tradition, we are siding with the Usurper, who said, "Yea, hath God said...?" Gen 3:1.

The Jews added hundreds of rules and regulations to the keeping of the Sabbath. Jesus did not defer to their tradition. How did Jesus keep the Sabbath? By worshiping the Father and meeting human need.

How are we to worship? It is laid out in Psalm 150. We are to praise Him with the sound of the trumpet, with psaltery and harp, with the timbrel and dance, with stringed instruments and organs. We are to praise Him upon the loud cymbals, and the high sounding cymbals.

In Isaiah 53:4 in the Hebrew it reads, "Surely He hath born our sicknesses and pains." Just as Jesus bore our sin, He, also, bore our sickness and pain. Although, I come from an extended family of six (soon to be seven) doctors, five nurses, one veterinarian, and one chemical engineer, Jesus has been my Healer for forty years. I recommend the book, Christ,The Healer by F.F. Bosworth. Claim His promises.

In Revelation 9:21;18:23;21:8;22:15 the word, "sorcery," is "pharmakeia," "pharmakeus," "pharmakon," "pharmakos." (You may want to do a word search on "Google.") Jesus did not do many works in Nazareth, because of their unbelief. Mt 13:58. Unbelief comes out of an evil heart. Heb 3:12. God is looking for faith in Him and in His Word. "So then faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God." Rom 10:17.

The New Testament Church was Pentecostal. The pattern for church worship was laid out in 1 Corinthians 12, by the Apostle to the Gentiles - the Apostle Paul: the Word of wisdom, the Word of knowledge, faith, gifts of heaing, working of miracles, prophecy, discerning of spirits, divers kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. The New Testament Church was interactive.

Where in the Scripture are there female pastors? "If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. A bishop must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilante, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre, but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride, he fall into the condemnation of the Devil. Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the Devil." 1 Tim 3:1-7. It is for a man to rule the church and to be in authority over God's people.

The abstaining from unclean meats was never taught to the Gentiles. Jesus, the clean became an offering for the unclean, so that we may be clean. It was a part of the Ceremonial law, which was nailed to the cross. Col 2:14. The Apostle Paul wrote, "I know and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that, there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean...For the Kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost." Rom 14:14,17.

Hellfire is not eternal. Jeremiah 17:27 says Jerusalem was to be destroyed with unquenchable fire. Jerusalem is no longer burning. Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed with everlasting, or, eternal fire. Jude 7. And that fire turned them "into ashes" as a warning to "those that should live ungodly." 2 Pe 2:6. These cities are not burning today.

The word "forever" is used 56 times in the Bible in connection with things that have, already, ended. In Jonah 2:6, "forever," means three days and nights. Jonah 1:17. In Deut 23:3, this means, "10 generations." In the case of man, this means, "as long as he lives," or, "until death." 1 Sam 1:22,28;Ex 21:6;Ps 48:14.

The Devil will be cast into the lake of fire, be turned into ashes and cease to exist. Rev 20:10;Ezek 28:18,19.

The word "hell" is translated from several different words with various meaning: 31 times from "sheol," which means, "the grave," 10 times from "Gehenna," which means, "the place of burning." This is a transliteration of the Hebrew "Ge-Hinnom," which means the "Valley of Hinnom." This valley southwest of Jerusalem was a garbage dump. Though at one time it smoldered, it no longer does today.

Mat 25:46 says the wicked will receive "everlasting punishment,"but not punishing which would be continuous. The punishment of the wicked is death, which is everlasting. The Wicked, the Beast, the False prophet, the Devil those that receive the mark of the Beast will be destroyed in the lake of fire. Rev 19:20;20:10. Death and hell will be cast into the lake of fire. Rev 20:14. And whosoever is not written in the Book of Life will be cast into the lake of fire.Rev 20:15.

Jesus said, "He that rejecteth Me and receiveth not My Words, hath one that judgeth him: THE WORD THAT I HAVE SPOKEN, THE SAME SHALL JUDGE HIM IN THE LAST DAY. For I have not spoken of Myself; but the Father which sent Me; He gave Me a commandment,what I should say and what I should speak. And I know that His commandment is life everlasting: WHATSOEVER I SPEAK, THEREFORE, EVEN AS THE FATHER SAID UNTO ME, SO I SPEAK." John 12:48-50. We will be judged by the Word of God.

We should imitate the Bereans: "These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the Word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so." Acts 17:11.

Our allegiance must be to the Word of God, alone.

 2009/3/3 8:32Profile









 Re: TRADITION

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Our allegiance must be to the Word of God, alone.



That is why I would encourage all SI members to be weary of the heresies (intermingled with truth) that you constantly present on this forum and look to the whole council of the word of God instead.

-Jim

 2009/3/3 9:49
sscr01
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And what are you referring to?

Do you not think that we are to keep the Ten Commandments? Including the fourth?

"Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have RIGHT to the tree of life, AND MAY ENTER IN through the gates into the city." Rev 22:14.

A sign of The Antichrist is "...he thinks to change times and laws." Dan 7:25. There is, only, one time in His Covenant - the Sabbath. This was done by the Roman Catholic Church.

Are you breaking the Sabbath by working? Are you in violation of the fourth commandment?

Dr.R.C. Sproul taught, that in Psalm 119,the word,"Word," was used interchangeably with, "law," "commandments," "judgments," "precepts," "statutes," "testimonies."

So, what is your problem. Are you breaking any of the Ten Commandments?

I represent the Word of God, alone.

Which Scripture do you disagree with?

 2009/3/3 15:12Profile









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Hellfire is not eternal.



Jesus never said that.

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I represent the Word of God, alone.



This statement is not true.


Yes, it is commendable to stay like the Bereans - Until we see HIM Face to face.

We have "The Spirit of Truth" and there is a spirit of error.

Pray one for another - the days ahead will bring even the more intellectually deceptive-crafty error.
Protecting HIS sheep was part of what Jesus spoke to Peter in "feed my lambs" - also by safeguarding the "green pastures" Ps 23 - no hurtful plants in a well tended pasture.

 2009/3/3 16:44
sscr01
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So, I have given you Scriptures...which one do you disagree with?

Did you look them up????

 2009/3/3 17:05Profile









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You're welcome to Berean this -

http://www.carm.org/religious-movements/universalism/hell-eternal



 2009/3/3 17:08
sscr01
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You have not read the Scriptures...death and hell will be cast into the lake of fire.Rev 20:14.

Do you, really, believe, that a loving God would enjoy the torment of people forever???

I don't.

 2009/3/3 17:15Profile









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Do you see 'where' hell winds up?
In the "Lake of Fire" which "torments day and night for ever and ever."

It doesn't appear that you've read the link defining "eternal fire".

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Do you, really, believe, that a loving God would enjoy the torment of people forever???



HE never said that HE took pleasure in the death of the unrighteous.

HE is Pure Love & Purely Holy which makes Only HIM "Just" in ALL of HIS ways and words and decrees - which are determined by The Kindness which HE showed mankind, by giving them a Free-Will.

On "that day" we'll understand 'why' those who turned their backs to HIS [GOD in the flesh] death on that Cross & the Spirit's continuous woeing witness [Rom 1} and will go where they will - all having chosen for themselves where they go. The countless times HE's spoken that word "choose" alone in the past 6000 yr.s or so, just for one way of putting "choice".

HE remains "Love, Holy & Just". We will never be more Compassionate than HIM.

 2009/3/3 17:31
sscr01
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You, obviously, didn't read my entire post.

The word "forever is used 56 times in the Bible in connection with things that ahve, already, ended. In Jonah 2:6, "forever" means three days and nights. Jonah 1:17. In Deut 23:3, this means "10 generations." In the case of man, this means, "as long as he lives," or, "until death." 1 Sam 1:22,28; Ex 21:6; Ps 48:14.

This Paganism, first became a tradition of the Jews, and then went from there into Christianity.

 2009/3/3 17:33Profile
fuehrerbe21
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 Re:

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Are you breaking the Sabbath by working? Are you in violation of the fourth commandment?



Are you breaking the 4th commandment by not working 6 days a week?

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Do you, really, believe, that a loving God would enjoy the torment of people forever???



Who said God would enjoy this? It is important to keep in mind that what man sees as "fair" or "just" is not always what God says is "fair" and "just".

Apart from scripture, I would recommend reading The Sovreignty of God by A.W. Pink regarding this.

I was also a bit perplexed by your original post. It is titled "Tradition" by really made no point.


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