Brother I need not read the rest of your posts when you say things like, "God was not on the cross".That is heretical, and is one of the most critical points in our redemption, that God being in the form of man did indeed die in the place of sinners, but was raised again.In your view, and answer plainly, was and is Christ God?
_________________patrick heaviside
roaringlamb wrote:Brother I need not read the rest of your posts when you say things like, "God was not on the cross".That is heretical, and is one of the most critical points in our redemption, that God being in the form of man did indeed die in the place of sinners, but was raised again.In your view, and answer plainly, was and is Christ God?
[quoteOrmly wrote:This is not arguable:The man Jesus, became the first man to achieve divinity. He did so by obedience to His Father.
"Behold, I make all things new" . . NOT I make new all things. In other words, Jesus doesn't make the old things new. "Adam" is not a man made over but a totally new man. No rescue in this.
Logic wrote:[quoteOrmly wrote:This is not arguable:The man Jesus, became the first man to achieve divinity. He did so by obedience to His Father.
Ormly wrote:Ormly wrote:So Which is it, Was Adam purposed to Fall or was he purposed for the incarnation of Christ Jesus
Logic wrote:Quote:Ormly wrote:Ormly wrote:So Which is it, Was Adam purposed to Fall or was he purposed for the incarnation of Christ JesusThe sole purpose of Adam was to glorify God in worship.The only reason for the incarnation of Christ was because God knew that Adam would fall and HE made emends for that by His Son.
Ormly, in John 12:41, the Holy Spirit reports that Isaiah saw Jesus on His throne in the vision reported in Isaiah 6:3. Since Isaiah's vision was of a fact at that time (as evidenced by the call of Isaiah to go forth) please reconcile your view with Scripture. Also, Emannuel is name given to Christ before his birth. Have they changed the meaning of that word?
Ormly wrote:Quote:Logic wrote:Quote:Ormly wrote:So Which is it, Was Adam purposed to Fall or was he purposed for the incarnation of Christ JesusThe sole purpose of Adam was to glorify God in worship.The only reason for the incarnation of Christ was because God knew that Adam would fall and HE made emends for that by His Son.That must mean God is an egomaniac and nothing more. . . .I don't think so. . . . totally [il] 'logical'.
Logic wrote:Quote:Ormly wrote:So Which is it, Was Adam purposed to Fall or was he purposed for the incarnation of Christ JesusThe sole purpose of Adam was to glorify God in worship.The only reason for the incarnation of Christ was because God knew that Adam would fall and HE made emends for that by His Son.
Ormly wrote:So Which is it, Was Adam purposed to Fall or was he purposed for the incarnation of Christ Jesus
I want to add to something I said earlier.Jesus was "Perfected", "Completed" [b]as a perfect human[/b] through obedience to His Father.To to become divine.[b]Heb 10:14[/b] [color=990000]by one offering he has perfected forever them that are sanctified[/color]After Christ was deemed a "perfect Man" through His sufferings & obedience to His Father, He then "perfected us" who are set apart by/in/through/according to faith with repentance.After Christ is deem a perfect man, we are deem perfect men.
whyme wrote:Ormly, in John 12:41, the Holy Spirit reports that Isaiah saw Jesus on His throne in the vision reported in Isaiah 6:3. Since Isaiah's vision was of a fact at that time (as evidenced by the call of Isaiah to go forth) please reconcile your view with Scripture.
Also, Emannuel is name given to Christ before his birth. Have they changed the meaning of that word?