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Christinyou
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Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all [ye] that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

\Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

This sounds like rest now, not in the future and it is in Christ not in the Seventh Day Sabbath.

Learn of Him.

6 days? I think you are grasping for straws because the overwhelming evidence is the Sabbath is Christ and our rest is in Him. I will keep a Sabbath, but it will be everyday in Him, for He is our peace and rest and our all in all.

In Christ: Phillip


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 2008/4/12 5:53Profile
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Christinyou wrote:
Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all [ye] that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

\Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

This sounds like rest now, not in the future and it is in Christ not in the Seventh Day Sabbath.

Learn of Him.

6 days? I think you are grasping for straws because the overwhelming evidence is the Sabbath is Christ and our rest is in Him. I will keep a Sabbath, but it will be everyday in Him, for He is our peace and rest and our all in all.

In Christ: Phillip



There is nothing in either one of these two verse that suggest the rest is right away, or now as you say. " I WILL GIVE YOU rest" " you SHALL FIND rest"

Neither of these verses have anything to do with the Sabbath Day in the sense of replacing the Sabbath Day.

The rest spoken of by Paul in Heb 4:11 is a future tenst rest of Christian who are alive today.

Also, in both of this verses, whom is Jesus talking to scripturally-Jews or Gentiles?

Did you even notice that the very next verse after Matt 11:29-30 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
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Matt 12:1 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day ...

Also the word "rest" in Matt 11:28-30, is the same word "rest" used in Luke 11:24 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, [b]seeking rest; and finding none[/b], he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out

So was this unclean spirit looking for the "rest" promised by Jesus to all those that come unto him? Was the unclean spirit looking for rest unto his soul in Jesus, or does it mean he was looking for a physical break, a stop of motion? an intermission from his labour.

There is no text to support the change of the Sabbath Day in any manner.

Christ is indeed our peace, but just because He is our peace, does that mean we can neglect or not care about bearing that particular fruit of the Spirit. Or you can't say, " well Jesus is my Peace, so I don't have bear peace as a fruit of the Spirit?

If you saw someone who was a believer, but they lacked the fruit of the Spirit peace-would you say " O that's ok, Jesus is their peace"?

Yes, Jesus is our peace, but aren't we still told to "FOLLOW AFTER PEACE"

2 Tim 2:22Flee also youthful lusts: BUT FOLLOW righteousness, faith, charity, [b]peace[/b], with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart

Hebrews 12:14 [b]Follow peace with all men[/b], and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

So you see that just because He is our Peace, doesn't mean that we do not have follow after peace, just like, just because He is our Lord "EVEN" of the Sabbath, doesn't mean that we do not have to follow or observe the Sabbath Day.

The Sabbath is a Day,....just like the "DAY" of the LORD is a literal "DAY"-the Lord's "DAY" is a literal Day ABOUT a person, but is not a person in itself, just like the Sabbath Day is a day for and of a person, but it of itself is not a person.

The Lord's Day, the Sabbath Day, and the Day of the Lord are all "DAYS" ABOUT,SET APART, OF the Lord.

Also what about this that I asked you about in my last post:

Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal

Rom 7:22For I delight in the [b]law of God after the INWARD MAN[/b]:

Rom 7:25...So then with the mind I myself serve the [b]law of God[/b]..."

What is the law of God?

 2008/4/12 7:34Profile
sscr01
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So, the Lord sanctified and blessed the seventh day Sabbath. Then, He commmands us to "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy." Ex 20:8.

And He didn't mean it?

 2008/4/12 8:40Profile
Miccah
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[u][b]2 Peter 2:1-3 (NKJV)[/b][/u]


[b]Destructive Doctrines[/b]


But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber.


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Christiaan

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The first Sabbath after the six days of creation must have been a blessed day indeed, there was complete peace and perfect rest. No wonder Moses said, "Remember the Sabbath day."(Exo 20:8).

Sadly, that rest did not continue, it was lost through sin, and God now looked forward to another rest. This time is was not for all mankind in general but for those who were bought by the precious blood of Christ. This promised rest was preached to Israel but they didn't enter in (Heb 4:2). They kept their own Sabbath but never entered in to God's Sabbath.

Notice that one of the operative words of Hebrews 4 is "Today". Any day, any where, we may know God's Sabbath rest, for it depends not on a time or place but upon a Person, who still assures the heavy-hearted that they may find rest if they will just come to Him.

We no longer have the Sabbath of a seventh day. We don't even know which is the seventh day, for the numbering of days is quite arbitrary and in no way connected with Adam's first full day on earth. We will never find rest in religious observance but only in coming directly to the Lord Jesus Christ.

There was something aggressively negative in the Pharisees' attitude to the Sabbath. They made hard work and heavy burdens out of their legalism. We produce the same effect by our negative attitude. True fellowship with Christ brings liberty not bondage, full deliverance from every yoke but His.

Why are we a restless people? Because we have lost faith in God's love for us.Right from the beginning at that first Sabbath day there was no doubt of His love for His creation. It was when Satan raised questions about that perfect love of God that man's restless wandering began.

The Pharisees had completely lost sight of God's love and were prepared to kill Christ for challenging their loveless code. The Sabbath had become a matter for dread rather than love. The Sabbath is for liberty, not for licence: God's love calls us to rest from self as well as sin.

In Christ,

Ron


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"The calendar has not been changed so as to confuse the days of the week. We can be positive that our seventh day is the same day Jesus observed when He was here. Pope Gregory 111 did make a calendar change in 1582, but it did not interfere with the weekly cycle."

In answer to a similar question, the U.S. NAVAL OBSERVATORY, March 12, 1932, wrote, "I can only state that in connection with the proposed simplification of the calendar, we have had occasion to investigate the results of specialists in chronology and we have never found one of them has ever had the slightest doubt about the continuity of the weekly cycle, since long before the christian era. There has been no change in past centuries, that has affected in any way the cycle of the week."

DR.W.W.CAMPBELL, director of the LICK OBSERVATORY in Mt Hamilton, California assures us: "The week of seven days has been in use since the days of Moses, and we have no reason for supposing that any irregularities have existed in the succession of weeks and their days from that time to the present." D.W.Cross, Your Amazing Calendar, pp.6,7.

THE PENTAGON DEPARTMENT OF ASTRONOMY said, that from the postition of the stars, every moment of time has been kept track of since before 500 B.C.

DR.J.B. DIMBLEBY, premier chronologist to the BRITISH CHRONOLOGICAL AND ASTRONOMICAL ASSOCIATION, after years of careful calculations asserts:"If men refuse to observe weeks, and the line of time was forgotten, the day of the week could be recovered by observing when transits of planets, or eclipses of the sun and moon, occurred. These great sentinels of the sky keep seven days with scientific accuracy, thundering out the days inscribed on the inspired page." All Past Time, p.10.

DR.G.E.HALE, noted astronomer for whom the great "Palomar telescope" has been named, expressed the same truth in five forceful words: "No time has been lost."

In Shemitic, Hebrew, Targu, Ancient Syriac, Chaldee Syriac, Samaritan, Babylonian, Assyrian, Arabic, Maltese, Ethipic, Tigre, Amharic, Falasha, Coptic, Orma, Tamashek, Berber, Hausa, Urdu, Pashto, Greek, Latin, Spanish, Portugese...(over 100 languages), the word for Saturday is "Sabbath." The most obvious is "Sabado" in Spanish.

I think, that, what we have here, is a refusal to obey the fourth commandment. It is only "legalism," when you don't want to obey His commandments.

James 2:10,11 states, that, if we break one of the commandments, we become transgressors of His law and are guilty of breaking all of them.

He is, only, Lord, to those who obey His Word.

 2008/4/12 12:13Profile
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There's no doubt that Jesus's attitude to the Sabbath was confusing to the Pharisees, but then God's thoughts and ways are much different and higher than mans.

Is it possible that, like the Pharisees, we are more concerned with traditions and convictions of our own than with accepting the yoke of the meek and humble Savior? Perhaps we are more afraid of seeming to be wrong or of what we call 'compromise' when our first fear should be "lest haply a promise being left of entering into his rest, anyone of you would seem to have come short of it" (Heb 4:1).

The Lord Jesus Christ said, "Come unto me," When we use our Bibles to do that we shall find rest, but if we only treat them as a handbook we are in danger of controversial unrest.

In Christ,

Ron


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Miccah
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sscr01 wrote:

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He is, only, Lord, to those who obey His Word.




This is the same tactics that the JW and Mormons use to "scare" people to follow their false belief. Nice mix on using scripture to negate the truth. Even these groups have the knowledge and knowhow to mix scripture to make it fit their lies.


[u][b]John 3:16 (NKJV)[/b][/u]

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.


Plan as day. No worries though, the bondage people will spin it to make it connect with Mrs. Ellen G. Whites beliefs.

Wasn't she a false prophet as well?


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Christiaan

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There are Baptists, Methodists, Pentecostals, non-denominational and more and more churches, that, are keeping the Sabbath.

 2008/4/12 21:37Profile
Miccah
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sscr01 wrote:

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There are Baptists, Methodists, Pentecostals, non-denominational and more and more churches, that, are keeping the Sabbath.




And only the false prophets are spinning scripture to say that your salvation is in jeopardy if you don't keep the 7th day sabbath.


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