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| | Re: | | David, now you know I believe God can do anything He wants. If He chose to speak through a Jack Ass..." Stand up and walk"" then He can do it...If He chose for the rocks and stones to cry out, that can be done too. Nothing is impossible with God.
Grace is something that goes beyond anything I could put in words.
Have I been healed by God...Yes , Yes and a thousand times YES. Did I expect it, or even ask for it....NO! That's the funny thing.
It took dying to self, for God to pour out His Grace and healing on me.
I wrote this nearly 30 years ago. Funny it's still the same today as it was 30
years ago.
I know your Grace when I feel restless,
I know your Love the times I fall,
And when I feel I'm really nothing...
That when I feel you most of all
And then those times I feel so helpless,
When things just seem to big to see:
You'll pick me up and there you'll carry,
For faith in you is REST for me.
To me, faith is....Not my will, but Thine be done.
Yes at first Jesus was my healer....but today, He's so much more...He's my life.
Maybe because I never asked Him for anything but more of Him, is why He's given me so much more than I could possibly ask or think possible.
There was no faith formula, just simple faith that works through LOVE...because HE FIRST LOVED ME!!!!!
Added:
I am what I am by the GRACE of God, I have what I have by the GRACE of God. His Mercy is NEW every day. I don't have to do one thing to have HIS Mercy and Grace abound except yield!!!!
We are HIS workmanship!!
Katy
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|  2008/3/31 16:56 | | psalm1
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| | Re: | | Katy, I suppose we will have to respect each others differences.
I, myself and others are encouraged by these inspiring stories of faith,salvation and testimonies of bro. Wigglesworth.
There is no heresy or harm,only inspiration ,of which we all need.
My vision is beyond the USA . the believers in some countries have NO medical.THEY HAVE TO BELIEVE FOR HEALING. So I will do my part to present Jesus with all his unlimited power.
David |
| | 2008/3/31 23:03 | Profile | psalm1
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| | Re: | | this little story told by Wigglesworth is sorta humorous;
"I visited a woman who had been suffering for many years. She was all twisted up with rheumatism and had been two years in bed. I said to her, "What makes you lie here?" She said, "I've come to the conclusion that I have a thorn in the flesh." I said, "To what wonderful degree of righteousness have you attained that you have to have a thorn in the flesh? Have you had such an abundance of divine revelations that there is danger of your being exalted above measure ?" She said, "I believe it is the Lord who is causing me to suffer." I said, "You believe it is the Lord's will for you to suffer, and you are trying to get out of it as quickly as you can. There are doctor's bottles all over the place. Get out of your hidingplace and confess that you are a sinner. If you'll get rid of your self-righteousness, God will do something for you. Drop the idea that you are so holy that God has got to afflict you. Sin is the cause of your sickness and not righteousness. Disease is not caused by righteousness, but by sin."
David
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| | 2008/3/31 23:52 | Profile |
| | Re: Was Wigglesworth serious? | |
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She said, "I believe it is the Lord who is causing me to suffer."
I said, "You believe it is the Lord's will for you to suffer, [b]and you are trying to get out of it as quickly as you can[/b]. There are doctor's bottles all over the place.
This is soooo true! How the natural man hates to die to self and sin. I am reminded of this (favourite of mine) observation by Chambers:
[i]'To be faithful in every circumstance means that we have only one loyalty, and that is to our Lord. Suddenly God breaks up a particular set of circumstances, and the realization comes that we have been disloyal to Him by not recognizing that He had ordered them; we never saw what He was after, and that particular thing will never be repeated all the days of our life. The test of loyalty always comes just there. If we learn to worship God in the trying circumstances, He will alter them in two seconds when He chooses.'[/i]
Smith said:
"Disease is not caused by righteousness, but by sin."
I paused for a few moments here, to pray, and to ponder on whether I believe this, and if so how is one healed? By coming to the light? By walking in the light as He is in the light? By recognising one's ever-need to be being cleansed by His blood (from sin) that righteousness may bring forth holiness? And, fruit unto God? (Rom 6:19, 22; 7:4.)
Therefore, is it pure logical truth that unbelief is sin, (as John quotes Jesus as saying in John 16:9), and we, as members of fallen humanity, simply do not understand that God's faith, whether in Jesus or as exercised by Jesus, or in us as He has made His faith to dwell in us that it may be exercised by us, has the potential to put [i]everything[/i] right again?
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| | 2008/4/1 8:40 | |
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Drop the idea that you are so holy that God has got to afflict you. Sin is the cause of your sickness and not righteousness. Disease is not caused by righteousness, but by sin."
At the same time, we don't want to give the idea that the righteous do not suffer.
Our lives are called to suffering, in one form or fashion.
A baby born of heart disease? What to do? Can a new born repent of sin?
Katy
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| | 2008/4/1 10:46 | | bluinos
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| | Re: | | I have some writtings on Smith Wigglesworth, i would like to share....would that be alright? I mean i don't want to step on anyone's toes, do you mind if i share i promise to keep it fashionable and to the core ;-)
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| | 2008/4/1 13:13 | Profile |
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Therefore, is it pure logical truth that unbelief is sin, (as John quotes Jesus as saying in John 16:9), and we, as members of fallen humanity, simply do not understand that God's faith, whether in Jesus or as exercised by Jesus, or in us as He has made His faith to dwell in us that it may be exercised by us, has the potential to put everything right again?
Dorcas, When you said..."that it may be exercised by us, has the potential to put eveything right again."
Would you clarify that more fully.
Do you believe we are to put everything right in the earth? That this is our calling?
""Right again"" as in everything going back to the way it was before the fall of Adam and Eve?
Thanks!
Katy |
| | 2008/4/1 13:20 | |
| | Re: Was Wigglesworth serious? | |
Hi Katy,
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""Right again"" as in everything going back to the way it was before the fall of Adam and Eve?
No, not the way it was before the fall in the sense which I believe you mean - because as Isaac Watts puts it in his hymn 'Jesus shall reign' -
[color=0066CC]Blessings abound wherever He reigns;
The prisoner leaps to lose his chains;
The weary find eternal rest,
And all the sons of want are blessed.
Where He displays His healing power,
Death and the curse are known no more:
[b]In Him the tribes of Adam boast
[u]More blessings than their father lost[/u].[/b][/color]
As I submitted my earlier post, I was aware our bodies do have to die physically, because of the fall, and we are not preserved from making that last crossing of Jordan into immortality; but, there is no doubt from the ministry Jesus exercised, and commanded the disciples to exercise, that the proclamation of the full gospel includes physical healing as well as spiritual, and that that physical healing is a gift from God that [u]He Himself be glorified[/u] in the earth, and that mankind would experience peace from the corruption which the fall wreaked upon flesh, in whatever form.
Many people simply need to receive healing, before they will understand enough about God to turn to Him for their spiritual needs. I do believe there is nothing anti-scriptural about believing God for the maximum outpouring of His life and power in this area. He is not interested in games with power, but in its honest and right use, that men and women who are made in His image should be released from all bondage, to serve Him. This includes (in God's mind, I believe), our physical bodies functioning as He designed - not all bowed down under sickness. I think a lot about this, because as I get older, I frequently ask Him to heal me physically, of any disease process which threatens to stop me finishing my course with joy. I hate the idea that in Him is all fulness, and I could choose a thought process which causes me not to benefit from the outworking of that fulness - His fulness.
I think some Christians, even, look on 'serving God' as some kind of penalty. That when Paul said 'I, a prisoner of the Lord', he was being a bit melodramatic, instead of realising that he said that because he was glad to be a prisoner of the Lord, rather than a prisoner of sin. They would much rather be doing their own thing. But that is not what we are being saved for. We are being saved because it pleases Him to bring sons [u]to glory[/u], and He has been here to show us how to do that.
But are we?
(Sorry if I got sidetracked (again). I hope I answered your question.)
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| | 2008/4/1 13:45 | | bluinos
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I hate the idea that in Him is all fulness, and I could choose a thought process which causes me not to benefit from the outworking of that fulness - His fulness.
Because if we didnt walk in this fullness in the fullness of Christ we would be in essence exercising Gnosticism, are we not to shine as the City of Lights, when we stand in this fullness? |
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Because if we didnt walk in this fullness in the fullness of Christ we would be in essence exercising Gnosticism, are we not to shine as the City of Lights, when we stand in this fullness?
John 1:15-17
15John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
[u][b]16And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.[/b][/u]
Romans 4:16
Therefore it is of faith, [u]that it might be by grace;[/u] to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
Romans 5:2
By whom also we have access by faith [u]into this grace wherein we stand[/u], and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
Hebrews 4:14Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
15For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
[u]16Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.[/u]
Katy ;-) |
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