Katy-did,

Smith Wigglesworth was and is over your head and out of your league. All your learning doesn't hold water to him. It gets so old to see you explain away so many things. With you it's always . . . Katy-did's Bible version of things and accounts. Your always swaying people your way with how you view things, of how your right and the rest wrong. You nit pick at every little thing that is brought up and then give us Katy-did's Bible versions, commentarys, etc on it. Very Sad. I will say no more on this because i know it won't do any good at all. I hope i never get to that point that i don't have a teachable Spirit anymore.


2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Jesus Christ died on the cross for the forgiveness of SIN, so that we could be reconciled to God. Our sin separated us from God, not our health.

It does great damage to families when loved ones have passed due to disease, placing an additional burden of guilt because one just didn't have enough FAITH to live, or be healed.

WE are COMPLETE in Christ Jesus....regardless of our physical health. This life is but a vapor compared to all of eternity.

OUR Eternity is what interests GOD. Our Maturity as we are being conformed to His Image. We are not being Conformed to His Glorified body NOW. So that image would be of a SPIRITUAL nature, not a physical one.



Galatians 4:13
As you know, it was because of an illness that I first preached the gospel to you.

Galatians 4:14
Even though my illness was a trial to you, you did not treat me with contempt or scorn. Instead, you welcomed me as if I were an angel of God, as if I were Christ Jesus himself.

Philippians 2:26
For he longs for all of you and is distressed because you heard he was ill.

Philippians 2:27
Indeed he was ill, and almost died. But God had mercy on him, and not on him only but also on me, to spare me sorrow upon sorrow.


1 Timothy 5:23
Stop drinking only water, and use a little wine because of your stomach and your frequent illnesses.


I especially like this last verse!!!!!

Katy

PS. Again Joel 3:21 is taken out of context.....and only the Gospel according to David or whoever snatched it out of context is using it to prove perfect health!!!!

I would like to express something so heavy on my heart.

I know there are 5000 or more people day who look in on this Ministry.

Maybe I don't express the views of those who own this ministry.

I know many of you looking in are Christians who have lost loved ones due to illness. Well, I want to say that GOD LOVES YOU. Even while we were yet sinners Christ died for us. He came to give those who place their faith IN HIM eternal life.....WOW. To spend all eternity with the Lord, can you imagine. Some of your loved ones are with the Lord all ready...just waiting for that Day when we shall see Him as He is, and we will be like Him...Glorified together with Him.


OH death where is thy sting.....To those IN CHRIST, there is no sting of death, for death and hades have been conquered IN HIM to those who are IN HIM.

Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.


John 5:28-30

28Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.



Now hear Paul:

Philippians 3:9-11


9And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

10That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

11If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.


This is the **core message*** of the Gospel.

Katy

still God heals people today, he may choose not to. But he may chose. Some have faith for that, some dont.

there are extremes on both sides with healing as with everything else.

But the christian life is supernatural life, both spiritual and in physical.

some may not have faith for healing, they wont get it. According to your faith be it on to you.

Maybe some peoples faith aint the real faith?

Plenty people who dont have genuine faith, saving faith. even thou they have "right" doctrines.

We so often "write of" some things to quickly. Its easy in these days when discernment is so needed due to all deceptions, we often throw out the baby with the bath water as they say.

God heals people, not all, some dies. God has wisdom to give to whom he choses.

But we all can ask for it,

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Ephesians 3 says GOD is able to do abundantly above all we could possibly ask or thing according to HIS power that works s in us.

Yes, God can and does heal. And it's according to HIS will, He may or may not chose to heal. so it's according to HIS WILL. And yes of coarse we can ask. But if the answer is no, will you still LOVE HIM.

Job said "thou he slay me...yet will I trust in Him."

God can even reveal HIS GLORY thorugh our sick and broken bodies if that brings HIM more Glory, Praise and Honor.


Katy

Katy,

Read the healing scriptures.

Ex;

" 6And Annas the high priest, and Caiaphas, and John, and Alexander, and as many as were of the kindred of the high priest, were gathered together at Jerusalem.

7And when they had set them in the midst, they asked, By what power, or by what name, have ye done this?

8Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them, Ye rulers of the people, and elders of Israel,

9If we this day be examined of the good deed done to the impotent man, by what means he is made whole;

10Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.

11This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.

12Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

13Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus.

14And beholding the man which was healed standing with them, they could say nothing against it.



There are tons of them. We need not apologise for Gods word.

If a loved one doesnt get saved that does not make Gods word a lie.....The same for healing.



Acts 4;

16Saying, What shall we do to these men? for that indeed a notable miracle hath been done by them is manifest to all them that dwell in Jerusalem; and we cannot deny it.

17But that it spread no further among the people, let us straitly threaten them, that they speak henceforth to no man in this name.

18And they called them, and commanded them not to speak at all nor teach in the name of Jesus.


Who wants who to be silent???



David

David I am not saying God can't heal. But I do disagree that ALL should be healed and can if only they can muster up enough faith. Do we have to muster up enormous faith for salvation...NO!

Or are you saying there are different degrees of saving faith....Those who muster up Great saving faith are more saved then others with just simple faith?

1 Corinthians 1:27-31

27But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

28And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

29That no flesh should glory in his presence.

30But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

31That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.


Now what does God say about those who are rich in FAITH.


James 2:5
Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?

David, who is the author and finisher of your faith...YOU????


Well, again the bible says we look to Jesus who is the Author and finisher of our faith.

Is your faith only in the temporal?

Can you add one extra hair to your own head by your own faith?


Katy

PS, David, did you read the verses I put....about Paul and Timothy's illnesses. Were they weak in faith?

Katy, one thing i have to admire in you is that you are second to none when it comes to conviction.
You are passionate about what you believe and its one reason I love you.

We are not in agreement on healing but thats OK I still appreciate your opinion.

I was saved in the charismatic movement and cut my teeth on the things of the spirit. So I am leaning a separate way of you.

I dont know any better than to want the fullness of the life in the spirit of God.

I believe there is no such danger of emphasizing the gifts as it is portrayed by certain people .



I am presenting only what I see the apostles presenting and i find it interesting that when arrested the apostles were accused of "Jesus the healer"

I believe Adam and eve were never sick until they"fell".
Therefore I believe sickness is a work of something other than God or his intent for man.

Jesus went about healing (i would guess) thousands.

Are the few we see healed somehow a threat?????

We are so , so ,so far from being "overboard" on healing , we would need millions healed to even think there could be some sort of lopsidedness.



David

Even faith can be worthless also, or "vain"

1Th 3:5 For this reason, when I could no longer endure it, I sent to know your faith, lest by some means the tempter had tempted you, and our labor might be in vain.


Also the bible says not all can heal, not all can speak in tongues and so on.

Not all christians get victory over sin, not all christians get healed , not all christians fulfill their life God had planned for them.

Was it Gods will for their life? no i dont think so, but so often we chose Gods second best. One reason may be we lacked the faith necessary. Of course we so often be like Adam and blaime God for our lack of faith, obidence or whatever it may be.

Sometime God may let us be sick to get something good out of it, God uses all things for good.

And sometimes we are sick because we have low faith, Jesus said according to your faith. Whos faith? his or mine?

how can it be according to mine if he dident give it to me?

God does not heal all people, that is quite clear.

but maybe many could have been healed, God wanted to heal them but the did not have faith for that. As brother mike wrote, "i dont have that kind faith"

Some do, some dont

salvation does not hang upon your physical wellbeing. We know that.

but i have come to believe all scripture and it says

2Co 1:20 For all the promises of God in Him are Yes, and in Him Amen, to the glory of God through us.

So when i see a scripture that say we can walk as he walked I say amen! i want that

when i see scripture that say i can overcome all sin I say amen to that.

when i see a scripture that say i can get healed from sickness I say amen to that, i dont believe it is Gods will we be so sick we cant serve him. Some pains here and there is not to complain about as long as we can work.

when i see we can live a life above any of the people in OT i say amen to that.

When i see ALL the promises in the bible i say amen! i want that Lord.

what we need is faith.

we all need more dont we?


anyone who spent some time here or in books of old from men of old knows what God can do through ONE man or woman who had faith.

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