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"If one would take the Ten Commandments out of the ark, would it be described as a day or as a person?"

In the fulfillment of the Law in Christ, a resounding cry, A PERSON, Amen Jesus Christ Himself.

Jhn 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. Including the Sabbath.

Hbr 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope [did]; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

In His Sabbath, not made with hands of men, but even Chrsit.

Act 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

Act 17:25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

In Christ: Phillip


 2008/4/17 16:44Profile

Joined: 2007/10/19
Posts: 136


Dear sister Katy-did,

I am not sure if you tried to answer my questions, but if you did then please try to answer then one by one. I failed to identify if you were trying to answer my questions.

Please go back to my questions and answer then one by one, and please back up your answears with scriptures.

You can say that the temple curtains were torn and all but one fact remains, John saw the ark in the heavenly tabernacle and He wrote about it. I am curious to know why would God show Him that?

=====If the law are done away, why was the ark that conatains the law of God shown to John?

====what is inside the ark?

====tell me about the fourth commandment of the law that was put inside the ark down here on earth, taking into account that whatever was done in the earthly tabernacle was a copy of the heavenly one?

====If one would open the ark, would the fourth commandment be described as a day or as a man, if it was changed, then please give the scriptures to back up your claim.

(Please read the comment that follows before answering this last question)...


I understand that the fourth commandment stated that we should dedicate the seventh portion of time to Him and the other six portion we should dedicate to the obligations of life.

Please do not come back to me saying that I am saying we should be holy one day of the week and then be allowed to do whatever we want in the other six days, this is a lousy argument, for the bible tells us that we should be holy because He is Holy.

One more thing I do not worship a day, I worship the creator of that day.

People say that Jesus is the Sabbath, I do not agree with it because to me Jesus is the creator of the sabbath and not the sabbath itself, and on the sabbath I worship the Lord of it all, and as He says Himself, He is the Lord of all including the Sabbath.

May the Lord of it all, give us understanding to follow His will in our lives.....


 2008/4/18 8:25Profile

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I have posted some questions here and so far no one tryied to answer them, could anybody please comment of them......


 2008/4/24 10:01Profile

Joined: 2008/5/3
Posts: 435


Jayme, I read these 8 pages the other day. And once this came up: "One more thing I do not worship a day, I worship the creator of that day. People say that Jesus is the Sabbath, I do not agree with it because to me Jesus is the creator of the sabbath and not the sabbath itself, and on the sabbath I worship the Lord of it all, and as He says Himself, He is the Lord of all including the Sabbath."

I said "thank God, someone understood it after all". Actually, your point of view is the only one clearly reflected in the Bible, all the others talk as if they separated themselves from what the Scriptures really say (and what the aposteles practised as well) and their "advanced spiritual view" is something the apostles did not follow, neither should we. Sabbath in theory only, but "fullfiled in Christ" and so practically without practical consequences for us , but Sunday practically yes , sorry to say most bought into traditions of man that make the word of God of none effect. You must be secretly read different books than you claim you do.

They went too far and astray with this sunny Pope day on the day of sun worship, just as the apostles went to far at one time when they asked " saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?"

And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,  And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

If you read all the explicit commandments in the Bible regarding the Sabbath, as in the 10 commandments, and also as in: Exodus 20:8  Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Exodus 20:10  But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: Exodus 20:11  For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. Exodus 31:14  Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. Exodus 31:15  Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
Exodus 31:16  Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. Exodus 35:2  Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.

..and do not understand the meaning of the words "perpetual covenant" as a child does, But instead come up with "adult" rationalizations you are personally more comfortable with, then Jesus words above as in Matthew 18:3. apply. Someone should warn you, it's a most serious problem of misunderstanding in human culture that creates their own rules in separation from the God of the Bible. "Shall be put to death" should be clear. It's the same as "will not have everlasting life", "have not the spirit" or "shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven"

Matthew 18:3 was not only spoken to believers, it was spoken to apostles. If someone thinks themselves to be exempt from it, so in effect standing above that....i have to question if they ever been regenerated yet at all, to become indeed a new creation, that is fully enabled to understand these simple things. Just as a child can understand them and would. And do these things. That's what it means to be a child, and that my dear friends of high intellect, is required to enter into the kingdom of heaven. Jesus said so, and if you have real faith you can believe it. If your faith is "made in America" you simply can not believe that.

Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: 8  Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 1 Corinthians 2:6

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