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IRONMAN
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IN HEAVENLY PLACES WITH JESUS

 Following Jesus who was Tempted as we are by Zac Poonen

Dear saints Greetings in Jesus' Name by Whose BLood we are Saved.AMEN.

this is by bro Zac Poonen:

The secret of a godly life lies in receiving revelation onthe fact that Jesus lived on earth in a flesh exactly likeours, was tempted through every lust that dwelt in thatflesh and yet never sinned even once in thought, word, deed,attitude or motive, or in any other way ( 1 Tim 3:16 and Heb4:15) Temptation is not the same as sin. James 1:14, 15 makes itclear that ever person is tempted through the lusts in hisown flesh. This was how Jesus was tempted too (Heb 4:15).But God’s Word says that those lusts have to conceive beforesin can be born. For this to take place, the mind has togive an assent to the temptation. Jesus’ mind neverassented even once to temptation. As a result the lusts inHis flesh never got an opportunity to conceive as sin in Hisheart. The lusts were put to death in the flesh itself. Hisheart was pure. Thus He made a new and living way throughHis flesh (Heb 10:20), in which we can walk today, becauseour flesh is the same as His was. The Bible teaches that Jesus received an education throughHis temptations in the days of His flesh. In eachtemptation He learnt obedience by suffering in the flesh andthus He was perfected [became complete] (Heb 5:7-9). ThusHe became a Forerunner for us to follow (Heb 6:20) Now He can sympathize with us in our struggle againsttemptation, because He has been through that struggleHimself having been made in all things exactly like us, Hisbrothers (Heb 2:17-18, 4::15; 12:2-4) The purity of Jesus was not something that He received on aplatter, but one that He acquired through battles. Butthose battles were not endless ones. Each lust in the fleshwas conquered – one after the other. Thus, over the periodof His lifetime, every single lust that dwelt in the fleshof man was completely overcome. The school of temptation is just like any other school. Weall have to start in the kindergarten class. Jesus alsostarted here. But He never spent more than the minimum timenecessary in each class. By the time He was 33 years old,when He died on the cross, he could say “It is finished”.Every single examination in the school had been passedsuccessfully. He had been made perfect. His education as aman was complete. (Heb 5:8, 9). For a person who is unfaithful in the kindergarten class oftemptation (e.g. sexual lust, anger, lying etc.,) to try andunderstand what temptations Jesus faced in the Ph D class isboth ridiculous and presumptuous. If you are faithfulyourself, you will understand (That is what Jesus said inJohn 7:17), If you are unfaithful in the moments oftemptation however, you will never understand, no matter howmany books you read or tapes you listen to. God’s secretsare not heard through tapes or from books but directly fromthe mouth of God Himself, through His Word.

Grace and Peace are ours in Jesus.AMEN.


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Farai Bamu

 2007/11/5 0:17Profile
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...unmistakably deposited in the word, is the tri-unity of the Godhead.



My quibble wasn't so much that I doubted your personal understanding Dorcas...The question posited in this thread is based largely on a false allegation that Jesus' diety is not clearly revealed in scipture...and I wanted to make sure your suggestion to seek revelation from the Holy Spirit wasn't misconstrued into an unintended agreement with such a defective view of scripture. The words on the pages of the bible are clear enough in telling us who Jesus is. I thought that your suggestion of seeking something more needed to be accompanied with the reminder that plenty has already been given! (As you know and stated quite well.)

Blessings,

MC


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Mike Compton

 2007/11/5 0:25Profile
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 Re: can God be tempted to worship Satan

IRONMAN asked------------"now to bros Nile and Wildbranch i ask this:
this scripture is from Psalm 78: And they tempt and provoke God Most High, And His testimonies have not kept.
what does the underlined mean then?"
It means that they tempted and provoked God most High to punish them because they did not keep His laws and commandments.
It does not mean that the Most High God was 'tempted with EVIL', for He is unable to be tempted by evil.....unable to be lured and enticed to sin, so that is where the 100% God status of Yeshua breaks down.

IRONMAN also quoted Zac Poonen-----------------"Following Jesus who was Tempted as we are by Zac Poonen.....James 1:14, 15 makes itclear that ever person is tempted through the lusts in his own flesh. This was how Jesus was tempted too (Heb 4:15)..............In eachtemptation He learnt obedience by suffering in the flesh andthus He was perfected [became complete] (Heb 5:7-9). Thus He became a Forerunner for us to follow (Heb 6:20) Now He can sympathize with us in our struggle against temptation, because He has been through that struggle Himself having been made in all things exactly like us, His brothers (Heb 2:17-18, 4::15; 12:2-4)"

AMEN! I agree entirely with these words expressed by Zac Poonen. It is obvious though that these verses are not speaking about YHWH God.
Now most on this forum believe that Jesus is the creator of the Universe (RobertW-------"Perhaps I should ask you a question; could a mere man have created the worlds and all that are contained therein?") They then believe that the Creator of the Universe became one of His created beings, thus becoming a god-man, (100% God and 100%man) and then was tempted by evil.

**No one has rejected the notion that God has been tempted by Evil.**

To quote a wise man: "I prefer clarity to agreement".

So, for the record---------------

I worship a God (YHWH) who is UNABLE TO BE TEMPTED BY EVIL , and not a man, nor a son of man. I am able to enter into His Kingdom through the glorious accomplishment; the perfect life, death and resurrection of His chosen, begotten, and Anointed Son, Yehoshua the Messiah. Once having come to sincere repentence for sin and being regenerated through faith in the Son of God, I am given the Spirit (Ruach, Pneuma, Wind/Breathe of God) who then writes His laws and ways on my heart, enabling me to live in His ways with joyful anticipation of the return of Yeshua the Messiah to establish His Father's Kingdom out of Jerusalem. Let it be known to the 'powers that be' that my God is Immortal and far above all, the Almighty God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob! Let it be known too that His Son is now seated at His right hand, awaiting the day (of which Yehoshua himself does not know the date), when His Father will choose to send him back into our midst to complete His most wonderful plan!! Amen and Amen.

Others here worship a God who IS ABLE TO BE TEMPTED BY EVIL (the notion of this thread started by Nile). This God is 100% part of the creatures He created, in fact he is 100% man, while at the same time being YHWH. This God learned obedience by the things He suffered and was tempted in all things. This God then died. The creature killed the Creator (Jesus created the world). He was then resurrected by another part of Himself, and is seated at His right hand, waiting to return to the earth (or 'rapture' away those who believe in him), although that part of Him does not know when. This God also "did away with the Eternal Torah (teachings, laws and commandments) He had previously handed down to His people........in fact, this God rejects those who would sincerely follow in those ways, saying that they have now 'fallen from grace'. So this man-God changes and rejects His former guidelines given to His people, calling them 'weak and beggarly elements'.

OK-------------as I said----------------"I prefer clarity to agreeement".

Thank you very much.


 2007/11/5 8:19Profile
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Let it be known to the 'powers that be' that my God is Immortal and far above all, the Almighty God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob! Let it be known too that His Son is now seated at His right hand, awaiting the day (of which Yehoshua himself does not know the date), when His Father will choose to send him back into our midst to complete His most wonderful plan!! Amen and Amen.



So you believe that Jesus Christ (Yeshua) is just a man?


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Robert Wurtz II

 2007/11/5 9:01Profile
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Once having come to sincere repentence for sin and being regenerated through faith in the Son of God, I am given the Spirit (Ruach, Pneuma, Wind/Breathe of God)



So you deny also that the Holy Spirit is God?


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Robert Wurtz II

 2007/11/5 9:03Profile
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This God learned obedience by the things He suffered and was tempted in all things.



Do you view the book of Hebrews at canonical?


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Robert Wurtz II

 2007/11/5 9:04Profile
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This God also "did away with the Eternal Torah (teachings, laws and commandments) He had previously handed down to His people........in fact, this God rejects those who would sincerely follow in those ways, saying that they have now 'fallen from grace'



So you also deny the inspiration of Galatians?


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Robert Wurtz II

 2007/11/5 9:06Profile
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OK-------------as I said----------------"I prefer clarity to agreeement".



If and when they show you who they are- BELIEVE THEM!

I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. (Galatians 1:6-9)


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Robert Wurtz II

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 Re: Was God tempted to worship Satan


Compton said

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My quibble wasn't so much that I doubted your personal understanding Dorcas...The question posited in this thread is based largely on a false allegation that Jesus' diety is not clearly revealed in scipture...and I wanted to make sure your suggestion to seek revelation from the Holy Spirit wasn't misconstrued into an unintended agreement with such a defective view of scripture. The words on the pages of the bible are clear enough in telling us who Jesus is. I thought that your suggestion of seeking something more needed to be accompanied with the reminder that plenty has already been given! (As you know and stated quite well.)

Thanks for that clarification, both to me, and readers of this thread. I am learning from you and Robert that scripture is not as dense as once I found it. In fact I'm learning a lot here! Amen.

 2007/11/5 9:18
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 Re: RobertW comments and questions...

Thank you Robert for your insightful comments and questions! I do believe they are rhetorical, and are answered in my posts.

What can I say Robert, other than that you are a true warrior for your beliefs! Bless you for your earnest responses!:)

 2007/11/5 9:23Profile





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