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hulsey
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Look to Me and be saved all you ends of the earth! For I am God and there is NO other. I have sworn by Myself; the word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness and shall not return
[b]That to [i]Me[/i] every knee shall bow, every tongue shall take an oath.[/b]
He shall say, "Surely in the LORD (YHWH) I have righteousness and strength." To Him men shall come and all shall be ashamed Who are incensed against Him. In the LORD (YHWH) all the descendants of Israel shall be justified and shall glory.
Philippians 2:9-11
Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him THE NAME which is above every name,
[b]That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord (Kyrios, another greek name for God) to the glory of God the Father.[/b]
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RobertW
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We're still waiting for your exposition of the 1st chapter of John.
Yes, still waiting. And with it the mass of scriptures that identify Jesus Christ with YHWH.
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Nile
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Christ is man just like me and you in every way, yet without sin. This is plain plain, straight up scripture. I am practically quoting verses here.
What a marvelous thing! In an earlier thread we were defending Pelagianism- taken together; if Pelagius and Nile are right- any one of us could have been the Messiah if only we had actually been sinless.
No one has said Jesus was not unique. He was the Son of God, trained by God Himself.
I don't know about your Jesus Robert, but my Jesus [u]had to learn obedience and to love righteousness and hate wickedness[/u].
Hebrews 5:8
[i]though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered[/i]
Isaiah 15-16
[i]Curds and honey He shall eat, that He may know to refuse the evil and choose the good. For before the Child shall know to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land that you dread will be forsaken by both her kings.[/i]
Woah! Nobody likes to hear those verses!
Read them again. And once more.
Was there time when Jesus didn't know to refuse evil and choose good? How is this possible if Jesus is God?
(I am not saying Jesus actually chose evil, but when He was child, [u]He was a child just like us[/u].)
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RobertW
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The post-modern agnostic complaint that the bible is unclear and that truth is unknowable has gained ground in this thread.
It is only because we treat them courteously that we loose ground among the simple. Had we declared their doctrine rife heresy and blasphemy and the probigators blasphemers and heretics we had well kept that ground. And this is how the Church has lost so much ground in the last 100 years- sitting back and just allowing the enemy to bring out our niceness.
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Nile
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We're still waiting for your exposition of the 1st chapter of John.
Yes, still waiting. And with it the mass of scriptures that identify Jesus Christ with YHWH.
If you don't want to wait:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/5257/Beginning.htm
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RobertW
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Was there time when Jesus didn't know to refuse evil and choose good? How is this possible if Jesus is God?
You will never understand so long as you continue to deny the hypostatic union.
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Nile
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Was there time when Jesus didn't know to refuse evil and choose good? How is this possible if Jesus is God?
You will never understand so long as you continue to deny the hypostatic union.
In other words, "We have no explanation. Go study our vain doctrines."
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RobertW
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In other words, "We have no explanation. Go study our vain doctrines."
No, you have greatly withstood our words even in the face of tremendous counsel and scriptural evidence. You have had MORE than enough evidence to convince you. Your doctrine declares who you are.
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hulsey
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| | Re: | | Nile,
Context my friend remember that word because is testifies against you. Once again still waiting on John ch.1 (actually probably still waiting on you foolishly* googling it until you find another link to post).
But back to the context:
John ch1
This Gospel opens magnificently. It begins by portraying the life of Christ in eternity, before the world was.
"In the beginning was the Word" The allusion is given here to the creation of the all that exists. In the beginning was the Word. The meaning in the original is not that the Word was the first thing created but that in the beginning, the Word ALREADY existed.
[b]"And the Word was God"[/b] Literally it says [b]God was the Word[/b] If you wanted to stress something in the Greek you placed it to the front of the sentence. Here John is STRESSING!!! the divinity of the Word.
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in order to place all the emphasis on Christ's FULL (emphasis mine) deity the predicate in the original precedes the subject. [b]Over against every heretic it must be MADE PLAIN that this word was fully divine[/b] (emphasis mine)
One sentence back John says "The Word was with God." Literally, The Word was face to face with God. Let's get all Hebrew here for a moment can we? If I were a Hebrew Christian and I wanted to tell disciples that the Word enjoyed an intimate relationship with God BEFORE every thing began what would I say. I would say that the word was Face to Face with God. EXACTLY what John says. This is not, I repeat NOT what one would say who is trying to deny a Christ who exists BEFORE anything is created, because that is evidence of divinity.
Verse 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
Hendrickson once again says,
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All things, one by one, came into being through this divine word. Thus, the great truth that Christ created all things is first of all stated positively and from the view point of the past. Stated negatively and from the view point of the present, it is expressed thus: "Apart from Him not a single thing that exists came into being."
Two facts are here stressed: a. that Christ Himself was not created; he was eternally (in order to convey that thought the imperfect tense is used four times in verses 1 and 2); and b. that all things were created by him.
I'm taking you to task on this Nile because this is not a "do you eat meat or not" issue. You cannot defeat the clear language of scripture. I'm not a Trinitarian because I believed a lie, but because I was confronted with the truth.
*I shouldn't have said "foolishly" to Nile and I apologize.
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| | Re: | | Well, when I first saw this discussion, I was very interested in joining it, as I have spent the last number of months studying the divinity of Christ, because of the false doctrine of the Jehovah's Witnesses.
However, after having read almost 8 of the 12 pages here, I discovered that Nile has yet to answer any post that contains a scripture in it. At least in context.
So Nile, if you want to discuss the divinity of Christ, pm me, if not, continue with the nonsense. But if you pm me, you will have to respond to every point I make, or I will discontinue any conversation on the issue.
I don't know why anyone on here bothers talking to Nile about this any further, he only preaches false doctrine, and picks non threatening posts to respond to. He is not here to see if what he believes is true, only to espouse his doctrine.
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