HeReigns....thank you for the verses. As always context is good, as 'verse wars' can and have been used to proove just about anything under the sun!

John 8: 24 "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins." - This verse says "I am he', and not I AM, which is always jumped on as some mystical code word for trying to read things into the passage. He is speaking about how his Father who sent him into the world, bears witness to him. He goes on to explain that when the son of man is lifted up, they would know that he is the one sent by the Father, who did nothing on his own authority, but only that which the Father taught him.

John 10:30 "I and my Father are One." The meaning of this statement is quite clear in its context, that the Father and son are united in will and purpose, just as Jesus prayed that his followers would be one (John 17:11)

John_2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up and John 10: 17, 18; “Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I HAVE RECEIVED from MY Father.”

As Jesus himself said: " And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou has sent".

"Little Gift" said: "Not even in the Jewish history of the time..."! What about the Bible itself? Doesn't that give something of the Jewish history of the time? Jesus claimed equality with God more than once, (as has been shown a number of times, and which you are unable to refute), and see the reaction He got! That's one reason why the Jewish authorities wanted to kill Him!"

NOwhere in the NT does Jesus claim to be the Eternal, Immortal, Creator GOD of Israel. Some like to massage the texts into saying something vaguely like it. Not once is he called, or calls himself, "God the Son".

The authorities wanted to kill him in John 10, where Jesus asked the question, "For which good work are you stoning me?" The Jews answered him, "For a good work we do not stone you, but for blasphemy; and because you, being a man, make yourself out to be God". Jesus dealt with that accusation by citing the Old Testament, showing that the Hebrew Scriptures were still the supreme authority able to clarify his Messianic claim: "Has it not been written in your Law, "I said you are gods'? If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came,...do you say of him (Jesus) whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world. "You are blaspheming,' because I said, "I AM THE SON OF GOD?"

wild branch, John 8:24 does not contain "he" in the Greek and is italicized in the KJV for that very reason - HE just says "I Am".

There are far too many O.T. and New that prove out the Divinity of Christ.

You do not understand His Word at all. You have proven that.

"Verse wars" is what will go on until HE Returns. Except for those who feel their own words exceed His, in Power and Life.

Context is needed - definitely - and that is what is lacking from your "Jesus isn't God" heresy.

One Verse never cancels out another and all the talk in the world will not change anyone's mind because the definition of "heresy" from the Greek is - "Choice - to chose for oneself - the Opinion Chosen".

What you are teaching is blatant heresy - the worst of them.

You have only picked a few verses to play with and avoided key verses.

To say that The Word of God/Jesus was/is not GOD is the worst heresy out there and should not be given this platform to defile babes or unsaved people with.

This is not a discussion of some non-essential to salvation belief - where words go on and on and on. This is dead serious and the warnings have already been given on this thread.

Nile respected the warning - but you blatantly began to post this heresy immediately after the Moderator's post, when Nile stopped.

That's two blatants added together by you.


Tit 3:10,11 A man that is a heretic after the first and second admonition reject; knowing that he that is such is subverted .....


Or are we members more "compassionate" than GOD?


[url=https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=7346&forum=36&start=0&viewmode=flat&order=0]Leaving you with 9 pages so far on - WHO JESUS IS.[/url]


Edit: Thank you Kire. Your posts weren't there before I posted. Thanks!

Wildbranch,

If Jesus is not God, then explain...

1.Why Thomas calls Jesus God in John 20:28? (Note, Thomas addresses Jesus specifically.)
2.Why does God call Jesus God in Heb. 1:8?
3.Why does John the apostle state that Jesus was the Word which was God that became flesh (John 1:1,14)?
4.Why is the phrase "Call upon the name of the LORD" (Hebrew, YHWH, i.e., Psalm 116:4) used only of God on the OT, and translated into the Greek in the LXX as "Call upon the name of the LORD (greek, KURIOS)," applied to Jesus in the NT (1 Cor. 1:2) if Jesus is not God in flesh?
5.Why does the apostle John say that Jesus was , "...calling God His own Father, making Himself equal to God," (John 5:18)?
What did Jesus say that caused the Pharisees to claim that Jesus was making Himself out to be God.
6.How was it possible for Jesus to know all things (John 21:17)?
7.How can Jesus know all men (John 16:30)?
How can Jesus be everywhere (Matt. 28:20)?
8.How can Jesus, the Christ, dwell in you (Col. 1:27)?
9.How can Jesus be the exact representation of the Nature of God (Heb. 1:3)?
10.How can Jesus be eternal (Micah 5:1-2)?
11.How can Jesus be the one who gives eternal life (John 10:27-28)?
12.How can He be our only Lord and Master (Jude 4)?
13.How can Jesus be called the Mighty God (Isaiah 9:6) if there is only one God
in existence (Isaiah 44:6-8; 45:5)?
14.How can Jesus be called the Mighty God (Isaiah 9:6) and "God" also be called the Mighty God in Isaiah 10:21?
15.How was Jesus able to raise Himself from the dead (John 2:19-21)?
16.How can Jesus create all things (Col. 1:16-17), yet it is God who created all things by Himself (Isaiah 44:24)?
17.How can Jesus search the hearts and minds of the people (Rev. 2:23)?
18.Why was Jesus worshiped (Matt. 2:2,11; 14:33; 28:9; John 9:35-38; Heb. 1:6) when He says to worship God only (Matt. 4:10)? (same Greek word for worship is used in each place.)
19.In the OT God was seen (Exodus 6:2-3; 24:9-11; Num. 12:6-9; Acts 7:2), yet no man can see God (Exodus 33:20; John 1:18). It was not the Father that was seen in the OT (John 6:46). Who, then were they seeing? See John 8:58.
Then why did Jesus claim the divine name, "I AM", for Himself in John 8:58? see Exodus 3:14.
19.Then why did Jesus say you must honor him even as you honor the Father (John 5:23)?
20.Then why is it that both the Father and the Son give life (John 5:21)?
21.Then why did Jesus bear witness of Himself (John 8:18; 14:6)?

Arianism-a noxious weed in the garden of truth
:-(

Greetings!

HeReigns----------I shall refrain from posting anymore on this subject--------------thank you for informing me that I had to stop, as I was not aware of that. (I thought Nile was requested to stop?).

The truth should never fear examination.

I understand that many here are very concerned and fearful that Nile has 'left the fold' or 'lost his salvation'. This despite the [b]FACT[/b] that the issue of accepting the Trinity, the god-man, the deity of Jesus, the Godhead etc, are [b]never once[/b] preached or taught as salvational issues in the NT. What [b]is[/b] taught, however, is that the man Jesus, the Messiah, has come, and told all men everywhere to "Repent, for the Kingdom of God is near".

While the NT does[b] not[/b] teach these things as[b] salvational[/b] issues, many here intimate that they are. Here are a sampling of[i] loving [/i]responses:

from "Poet": you have a millstone to look forward to.
Please stop.

from "HeReigns": This is the foundational doctrine of our Salvation (ie trinity) ...If one denies the deity of Christ they are teaching an anti-Christ doctrine.....It would not be "too harsh" to say blasphemy is being pushed here now......Who gives eternal life Matt? Is it obtained by a life of obedience? Jesus said that He gives it. Have you gone to Him to have eternal life or are you going to have a go at it yourself. I pray that you would do it immediately.

From "whymw": The issue of whether you view Jesus is God is a salvation experience.
Please Nile repent.

From "1another": I agree completely with He_Reigns. Nile what you are pushing here is wrong. You truly are on dangerous ground, you need to repent.

"Scribe" says: To deny Christ of His deity is blasphemy

"Ginnnyrose" It appears to me you have sin in your life and this is why you work so hard to disprove Jesus....Son, we beg of you to repent while there is yet time...

"Little Gift": Nile you have been absorbing deadly poison in the things you've been reading. Spit it out before it kills your soul!

Matt, have you repented and recanted yet? says RevKerrigan



Read the history of the 'church'. They have silenced many with death for not recanting their belief in the absolute oneness of YHWH, and bowing to this dogma. Thankfully, we now have separation of church and state.

I respect that this is a Trinitarian message board ~ thank you for allowing me to post on this subject that means so much to me ~

Peace to you all------In the merit and grace of Yeshua, the Messiah,
unto the glory of YHWH. [b]HalleluYAH![/b]

Amen

Can I just post these questions again:

Do you know Jesus - personally?

Do you love Him?

Do you know - really know deep down - that Jesus Christ is Lord?

Are you increasingly seeking to make Him Lord of your life?

Are you seeking to walk with Him?


...Am I?...

When we walk with Jesus we begin to learn who He is as well. Not by way of theological argument but by way of relationship


Jeannette

Denying the Deity of Christ is offensive - yes.

I read this whole thread over early this afternoon and was really proud to be related by New Birth to the folks who defended His Deity.

Everyone who stood up for Yeshua.

If you deny His Deity - then you must deny the Deity of Holy Spirit also.

Here's one for Him ...

http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=727


[b]1Jn 5:7 For there are Three that bear record in Heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. [/b]

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