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Warrior4Jah wrote:
Dear reformer!
Can I read the article? :-)
God bless you!
Jonathan
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|  2007/10/8 9:29 | |
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hmmhmm wrote:
welcome back Krispy :-)
The word says Jas 4:4 Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.
and this verse is to me a great warning to not go "back" and enjoy the world or sin
2Pe 2:20 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning.
and this one is also scary
1Jn 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
so how is it with you? do you love the world? worldly movies? worldly company ? you better check on things with your relationship with Jesus.
when people call other for legalist or pharisee, many times it may be accurate, many times it just to justify ones "friendship" with the world.
Heb 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
Love it when hmmhmm comes to the post!! Always brings the heat!!
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| | 2007/10/8 9:30 | |
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I read an article on another blog, it was about certain Christians that don't go to movies and listen to popular music are Pharisee's.
Amen to everyones answer... the lukewarm, backsliders and conpromised will always come up with defenses to justify their sin... and as the saying goes there's no defense like a good offense.
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We have some friends in our Sunday school that couldn't believe that we didn't see a movie called, "Knocked up and 40 year old Virgin." We never said anything about them going watching those movies and we never stated why we choose not too.
If these people went and saw the movie and are not ashamed of this, shouldn't they put out of fellowship for their open and shameless association with sexual immorality according to 1 Corinthians 5?
In Christ - Jim |
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KrispyKrittr wrote:
"Christians" who are friendly with the world can not stand Christians who are living a holy life. I believe part of this is because they feel convicted, but they refuse to accept the conviction because their love of the world is much stronger than their love of God. In fact, scripture says they can not love both... so in the end, they hate God. Thats what the Word says, not what Krispy says.
What would make you a Pharisee is if you believed that by avoiding these wordly pleasures is what made you a Christian, and you condemned all those who do not do as you do... and yet, you really have no relationship with God at all.
Most church goers are completely ignorant of scripture. They dont even understand the definition of Pharisees, and to call true believers "Pharisees" who desire to walk holy before God makes them utter fools in the eyes of God.
To quote the Christian band Petra: "I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man than to be a fool in the eyes of God"
Krispy
Great point Krispy. People do hold a bunch of rules, I have caught myself trying to hold rules, but the great thing about the Holy Spirit, He will let you try on your own strength, knowing that it won't last. Not by our power or might but by the Holy Spirit.
I was reading Finney last night and he made a profound statement about consecration. Basically, we find ourselves daily being consecrated to the Lord if we accept His grace and are willing to submit. I find that the things that I used to do, I no longer desire to do, not that I am holy, but the Holy Spirit is consecrating me to conform to Christ. I have yielded and I have ignored, but thankfully He will not leave me the same.
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If these people went and saw the movie and are not ashamed of this, shouldn't they put out of fellowship for their open and shameless association with sexual immorality according to 1 Corinthians 5?
Love ya Jim, you sure can bring the noise when you need too!! However I don't agree with excommunicating someone based on going to those movies. Maybe the Lord has not dealt with them or maybe He has. I think we all are in stages in our lives and may not be at that point. But I also agree that they should feel ashamed. it would worry me if they didn't feel any conviction. When I first became a Christian, about a month or so after, I was drinking, later to come to find out, my heart was grieved and felt a strong conviction about it. I was so new in the beginning i didn't have anyone around to teach and disciple me in the Lord. but the Holy Spirit taught me this. Sometimes we can do something we think is ok and then BAM, right in the kisser. But as we mature in the Lord, we begin to be more sensitive to things! Yes or NO?
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| | 2007/10/8 9:48 | | Warrior4Jah
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No, their is a five dollar cover charge? renewed every month!! :-P
You have to pay for that stuff too?! nvm :-)
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| | 2007/10/8 11:50 | Profile | MattChenier
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| | Re: | | When I posted that it was wrong not to shun the "Christians" that watched these movies. RobertW was very correct in saying that you should be sensitive to the spirit and also be careful not to become proud in your own spirituality.
I have thought about this a little over the last couple days. This scripture came to my mind.
Ezekial 3:18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
Eze 3:19 Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.
Eze 3:20 Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
Eze 3:21 Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.
Now before I start catching stones accusing me of spiritual pride and arrogance. Or accusations of harshness. Please stop to consider the point. If you love a person, will you not warn them? If you can preach the warning using actions and not words thats great. But, one way or another, preach the message.
You know, we are called to be the light of the world. And the bible says "whatsoever doth make manifest is light." If you think minding your own business and letting people figure it out for themselves is being light and love, you are wrong. And their blood is on your hands. Especially if they consider themselves part of the fellowship of Christ.
Eph 5:10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
Eph 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather * * reprove them.
Eph 5:12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
What's worse is that they do this shame openly and there are some who would say I am proud or judgmental for speaking out against it.
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| | 2007/10/10 2:20 | Profile |
| | Re: | | I agree that excommunication from the fellowship may be a bit extreme. If we applied that to everyone who partakes in wordly pleasures we would excommunicate every single "newborn" believer. There needs to be wisdom and discernment when it comes to church discipline. God deals with all of us at different speeds. It's like with my football players... I have to deal with them on an individual basis. I expect more out of some, and less from some... depends on their experience and development, etc. If I have a player who has played football for 5 or 6 years, I expect him to be playing at a much higher level than someone who hasnt. But I also might have a player who has 5 or 6 years of experience, but is physically not able to perform at the same level as a guy who is just a flat out athlete.
It's the same in the church.
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| | 2007/10/10 9:00 | | RobertW
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What's worse is that they do this shame openly and there are some who would say I am proud or judgmental for speaking out against it.
I think the problem is that the folk cannot [i]relate[/i] to what you are saying. When people are truly born again of the Spirit they see life completely different. I mean, it is like daylight and dark. Some things are foolishness because they are spiritually discerned.
If what a person is watching on TV or at the movies is of the spirit of antichrist and it agrees with their spirit- the problem is self evident. You need to keep casting the net, I think. Keep preaching the true Gospel. Allow the Holy Spirit to work in their life and bring them to genuine repentance and faith. Once a person is truely born again- their spirit changes. Where once they agreed with the course of this world- the new creation will NOT agree with it. To preach to them about the sinfulness of modern media is of little benefit in my opinion. They need to be born again and then they will SEE for themselves and won't need to be preached to and micromanaged all the time.
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