That wasn't my point at all.

I am not at all saying that those unwilling to do their homework are without God entirely. The issue I'm raising is one of maturity in terms of discernment.

11About this we have much to say, and it is hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing. 12For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the basic principles of the oracles of God. You need milk, not solid food, 13for everyone who lives on milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, since he is a child. 14But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil.

1Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, 2and of instruction about washings, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. 3And this we will do if God permits.
Hebrews 5:11-6:3

I am not equating adherence to the Reformed doctrine of salvation to spiritual maturity; I would gladly buy lunch for a brother in Christ who after diligent study and prayer shifted from Calvinism to traditional Arminianism leading them to greater love for God, love for people, and love for the lost, because their primary motive is to glorify God and edify others. In that respect, attributing those who adhere to either side of the argument out of purely proud motives as being pharisee-like is a due criticism, for such thinking is of no assistance to the body of Christ whatsoever.

What I'm trying to say is that there are indeed people who try to take the pacifist route simply because they really are not as concerned and hence may not really be willing to examine the issues and how it will apply to them in a responsible manner. The eventual outcome of this isn't unity as we would like to define it, but double-mindedness and semi-agnosticism.

In that respect, we shouldn't be quick to immediately write off these discussions as being divisive and ungodly as while there are those of us that are over-zealous for the wrong motives, there are also those who are genuinlely interested in expanding our vision of God's glory and the work of Christ not just for our own benefit, but for others as well so that we can fulfill the purposes that God has called his church to fulfill.

To put it simply, there comes a time in every little boy and every little girl's life when they walk up to their parents and ask upfront one of the most crucial, life-changing questions: Mummy, Daddy, where did I come from?

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Benjamin Valentine

Well if you look at the Evolution of this Thread you can see some really unbroken people.

The whole point to this thread was to just simply state some observance about our loving Brothers in Christ. Find another thread if you want to fight and debate theology.

Or have you guys already destroyed those threads by Barfing on each other In Jesus' name?

Here is something I have noticed as an inconsistency between Calvinists and Calvinism:

Calvinism says God does not want everyone to be saved.

Yet there are Calvinists who do want everyone to be saved.

So are some Calvinists more loving then the God of Calvinism?

Consider George Whitefield who used to weep over perishing sinners.

WHY did Whitefield weep? If God wanted them saved, according to Calvinism, by force He would save them.

Why would Whitefield weep over sinners that He believed God did not weep over?

Great observance.
So why do They seek so hard to conform everyone to thier intellectual image and not going after those who trully need Saving Grace?

Can anyone out there give a good illustration of Calvinistic evangelism without writing a thesis please?

Is Calvinism only around to convert Christian's?

Remember this is not a place to debate Calvinism but just a observance of our Jesus Loving Brother's.

Can Calvinism be a krutch for believer's in reaching the Lost? Speaking of the time and effort our Brothers put into perfecting what "they call" Doctrinal Purity.Trust me I am a Berean, I love Doctrine.I think it is essential but is Calvinism capable of nullying the Commission given to all those who follow Christ?
(honest Question)

Keep it simple.

No Statements over 30 words.

Simple, straight, Like statements made in the Bible.

Blunt,

It is not your place to dictate here.
Lose the deragatory comments.
Read the disclaimer at bottom.

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Mike Balog

this was originally posted in another thread, but i think this was very well and simple explanation of Calvinistic evangelism, if i remember right it was brother "lovehim" who wrote this


"The Good News of the Gospel is that Christ
might have died for you. If you aren't listening to the Word, and are resisting it, don't worry, because God will either make you obey and you'll agree with me in the end and we'll both be in Heaven - or you're already going to Hell so it's irrelevant what you do.

Come to Jesus today, no, not all of you, only those that are going to come anyway. I bring good news, if you're a special one - if not, bad luck."

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CHRISTIAN

Sorry if it offended you, not my intention to make anything offensive .I like simple answers and offcourse I cannot dictate I just prefer simple,it helps me.........Are you reformed Moderator?
Its not a Bad thing to be reformed.