God did allow Adam and Eve to fall in sin, it can't be that God was taken by surprise and had to think up a plan b which was less glorious, then His first design.
Warrior4Jah wrote:God did allow Adam and Eve to fall in sin, it can't be that God was taken by surprise and had to think up a plan b which was less glorious, then His first design.
Galatians 3: 27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, *****there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.The ****HEIRS**** according to **the** PROMISE!!!!(A Promise that was NEVER made to Adam and EVE).For if Adam 1 was to have been the First Lord of Lords and King of Kings,( had He succeeded) would then have made EVE the first Goddess of Heaven or QUEEN of Heaven and Earth.WE know where this teaching comes from...PAGANISM, MYTHOLOGY etc. !!!Love in ChristKaty-Did
Ormly wrote:God's perspective is to see that Adam, though made a living soul, was, by choosing the way of self-renounciation, as Jesus later gives us the example, progress to a point in time when he would have experienced transfiguration; incarnating the Christ of Glory into his flesh. The result would have been that many sons would have been procreated without sin making the need for redemption unecessary. Jesus, regardless of our 20/20 hindsight, would not ever have been born. There would have been no need for a redeemer. I might that that is the reason God chose procreation as the means for "birthing" His sons. When Adam failed, by virtue of heredity, only one sinless being would ever be necessary for reconcilation/redemption. His Name was Jesus.Had Adam not sinned, would he not have been the Captain; the Lord. This is not about man's salvation at this point in time. It is about procreating many sons and grooming them for divinity; Adam, was to be the Author of son-ship. Adam who was perfected in the Eternal Character of the Father by the continual renouncing of His "self" nature; giving "His utmost for His Hightest". Had he not transgressed he would have succeeded; the "first of first fruits". However, Alas and Alac its now all academic.
To say that, had Adam obeyed God, there would have been no need for God to come and shed His Own blood, is error, because that was "The Plan" before creation,
HE_Reigns asked:I can only ask, How could Perfect Omniscience-Omnipotence even need a "plan B" ?
Plan A is still in effect. Nothing man or angles can do outfox God or make Him change His plan to plan B, which never existed or will exist. His plan is perfect and it is His plan and it does not depend on man or angles.The Plan was already in effect before the foundation and until the new heaven and earth are exactly as God planned and intended them to be before and from the foundation of all we know.Ephesians 1:2-14 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.Who's will?Who's glory?Who's redemption?Who's salvation?Who's wisdom?Who's righteousness?Who's justification?Who's sanctification?Who's Plan?And on and on and on.Only God. "That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: In whom also we have"Who's dispensation?Who's Christ?Who's heaven?Who's, "word of truth, the gospel of your salvation:"?Who's sealed us in this salvation?God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Not god the Adam.In Christ, by whom? Phillip
Christinyou,You will never connect the dots using that thinking.THINK! Jesus, "son of Adam" was of necessity because Adam failed. All that you posit from Ephesians is and was, AFTER THE FACT OF ADAM"S TRANSGRESSION.
Let's go back to the Garden of Eden and see where the truth lies.Genesis never deifies Adam. How can we have something offered which could never exist in the first place? If Adam was to have deity by any definition, why would Satan bother to offer to Adam and Eve,the opportunity to become "as gods"? Yes, there is a promise in the Bible that we can become gods. But notice who made the promise. SATAN! And he is still making the same vain promise today. But the Lord God says,Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me. Is. 43:10I am the LORD, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. Is.45:5With Love in Christ JesusKaty-did