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I havne't backed off of anything, so much being said here, I might have missed something. Please repeat what it is you want to me to tell you again. I can assure you , I have Scripture that shows I am right. And I believe I've already shown every piece of scripture that was shown to me, how it was taken out of context and tried to mean something it didn't.

 2004/7/5 12:10









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I know its not happening to me, because I use to be in the same boat you guys are in. I use to be sick all the time, I use to have so many problems, that no doctor or therapist could ever help with. And it wasn't untill I went before my God, and asked for his Holy Spirit, and the Spirit of Knowledge and to be Led by the Spirit, and began to pray to my God in Tongues, that I fully became aware of the Scriptures. I KNOW I am not decived, God doesn't decive. And like I've said over and over again, I can back up everything I state with Scripture.

 2004/7/5 12:12
lwpray
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Is God sovereign or a subject?

The Faith cosmology teaches that God must obey certain spiritual laws which regulates faith and procedure on Earth and He cannot do otherwise. This stance has destroyed God’s sovereignty, His right of self-determination and self-rule within His universe. No man can force God’s hand with formulas, and there are no spiritual laws apart from His will.
In the universe, God “works all things after the counsel of His will”, Eph 1:11, not according to the formulas of man’s will.



"In the spiritual realm God has set into motion certain laws, just as He set laws in the natural realm. Those laws in the natural realm work, don’t they? Just as you get into contact with those natural laws or put them into practice they work for you. Over on the spiritual realm the same thing is true. I have come to the conclusion that the law of faith is a spiritual law, that God has put this law into motion, and that as surely as you come into contact with it it will work for you."
Hagin
The Law of Faith

A universe governed by spiritual laws, instead of God. . .
This is the fundamental rule of positive confession.



Anybody, Christian or non-Christian, can plug into this universal law of faith and get results. . .
“It used to bother me,” explains Hagin, “when I’d see unsaved people getting results. Then it dawned on me what the sinners were doing: they were cooperating with the law of God – the law of faith.
Hagin , Having faith in your Faith.

- No need to repent and be born again, no need of the work of the cross of Christ, no need of sanctification unto submission to the Throne of Christ.





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Lars Widerberg

 2004/7/5 12:13Profile
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How do you reconcile the Exodus 4 passage?


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 2004/7/5 12:13Profile









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I have already adressed the God and Spiritual Laws. We know God has made a covenant with us, and we know that he can not break that covenant. Therefore, we know that he does have laws that he must adhere to. How can you dispute that?

 2004/7/5 12:14









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As for Exodus 4:10, its simply a passage where God is showing a very nervous, very scared Moses, that he is all powerful, and it doesn't matter if he thinks he can't talk. Because God can make him whatever he see's fit. God can make him the best speech giver this world has ever known. Just like God could easily shut him up if he wanted to. He is showing him that he is the creator of all things, even if a person was born deaf, God still created them. Therefore God can still heal them, and will heal them, and will be with them.

 2004/7/5 12:17
lwpray
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Interesting position – rejection of God’s sovereignty, man having authority over God, Christ no longer on the Throne, man able to create his own future.
This it the chaos which Jesus Christ confronts at the Cross.
Perhaps you move on to the position of Kenyon, who flatly denies the role of the Cross in his book “What happened from the cross to the throne”.
This is the position of unregenerated man - you can have what you say, name it and claim it, just get it at any cost.



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Lars Widerberg

 2004/7/5 12:21Profile
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I have Scripture that shows I am right



Think about that brother...

"I am right"

Are you willing to be wrong? Even if it challenges you to let go of some presuppositions?
Is that the issue here?

That's dangerous territory, you are going way to fast here and not taking into consideration any body else's thought's or where they are pointing out to you where you may be taking things out of context.

None of us will ever learn anything if we can't take some [i]time[/i] to contemplate what our own members of the body of Christ are saying.
Slow down brother.


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Mike Balog

 2004/7/5 12:30Profile









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I have never once said that man has authority over God. Neither has Brother Hagin, nor my Pastor, or any close ones to me for that matter. We have simply said, That God wants to give us these things, so we reach out in Faith, and believe what he wrote in his Word, and ACCEPT them. Not take them.. not be greedy and make him give them to us, But we ACCEPT them. I have never in my life overlooked the Cross Jesus was hung on. If you want to can all political correctness, and get right down to what God has said, then anyone who does not recieve Healing has rejected some of the meaning of the Cross. Anyone who denies Speaking in Tongues, has denied some of the meaning of the Cross. And Christ, is seated at the Right Hand of Power, God would be on the Throne I suppose. And I have never taken Christ off his seat, he is there making intercession for all of us. And he goes with his believers proving the Word with signs miracles and wonders. Here is the thing, Jesus said that he would confirm the Word, and that These signs shall follow those who belive. Jesus said that, you can look it up, its there. Who has had signs following them? Who has raised the dead? I know of course Jesus, I know Smith Wigglesworth has, I dont know who else. Who has healed the sick? I know of many, I know that I myself have. How did I do it? Jesus said i could! Jesus said we could use him name, whatsoever you ask in my name is shall be done. Jesus gave us Authority to use his name. The name which is above all names.

So Sir I'm sorry, but I never once said God below me.

 2004/7/5 12:30









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Are you willing to be wrong? Even if it challenges you to let go of some presuppositions?



Have you not read where I've said that I use to be blind to the Truth like you are right now? Have you not read where I've said, I have been wrong in the Past. But I know, I know just as well as I know what my son's name is, that I am right about most of everything I believe in. Because just as Jesus said , he has CONFIRMED the Word. You can't say God doesn't want us to be healed, when you can watch someone speak the name of Jesus into a situation, and watch someone be healed. You can't say God doesn't want us prosperous when you can sit and watch someone speak the name of Jesus and watch someone go from having nothing, to being in a position to help others. To deny the things God has written to us, is absurd. To sit and say, God doesn't want to heal us, to sit and say that Jesus did not die for our sickness's as well as our salvation, is just abusrd, and it shows just how blatanly you are ignoring Gods Word. I have respnded in full to all your scripture references, what can you say for the two I have shown you?

 2004/7/5 12:34





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