BornAgain wrote:

Ok I can easily do that.

This is a very small part of what was said by Brother Hagin at Kenneth Hagin Ministries Winter Bible Seminar 2003. You can find it in the Word of Faith Magazine, the April 2003 issues I do believe. If you really want it, I can proabbly email the .pdf to you.


Anyways, here you go...

(These are words that were spoken by the Lord through Kenneth Hagin)

And this year, the year of 2003, is a year of preperation, its a year of seperation.

There will be those who will seperate themselves from you, and walk in their own way, carry out their own plan, and have no power, and no glory, and no Spirit, but a deadness shall overtake them.

But there shall be those who will respond in fullness and will say "Yes Lord, Yes Lord, I've missed it in times past, I've even been disobedient, forgive me" And remember that he forgives, remember that there is mercy. Remember that it is stated "Let us come bodly to the Throne of grace that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in the time of need.

(Now that defintily has come to pass, if anyone accurately judges the year of 2003 looking back on it, we can easily see that even the Church itself is being divided. We have the one side who wnat God to be weak, who want Homosexuality, aborition, and a host of other sins, and then we have the Belief system that is in me from the Holy Spirit, which reads the Word of God, and takes every single Word of it to be truth, and applies it to our lives, and lives by it. There has indeed been a great seperation. And as for him saying some will come saying they have mised it, and been disobedient, that was me the Summer of 2003, I was living in so much sin, I didn't even like myself much. But I rededicated my life to Christ, BEFORE I ever saw this prophecy, and was Baptized in the Holy Ghost and began to speak with other tongues. So I know, those parts are 100% correct)

In that same prophecy Brother Hagin goes on to say that the end of 2003 will bring tears to some who sit right there while he is giving the Prophecy, he begins to weep, yet he never admitted it, it is believed he saw that his own death would occour later that year, or at least, knew a death would be at the end of that year.

So without sitting and typing out the entire prophecy, I will urge you to look at it yourself. Its a wonderful message that the Lord has deliverd to us.


Thank you,
Mitch

Sermonindex,

You told me I should hear some of AW Tozer, and a few other guys, I chose the Tozer fellow first off. And the first thing I downloaded, was (Hebrews - Part 32): Faith Demonstrated

One of the very first things this man says, is that after reading the first few versues of Hebrews Chapter 11, he says that there is no definition of Faith there, or anywhere in the Bible. I would have to ask, why dont you look to him as a false teacher, instead of all these others. Because surely, we all know that Faith is definied as 'Now Faith is the substence of Things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen' See that.. "Now Faith is" is easily showing us.. that it is about to be defined. To say there is no definition of it.. I can't help but find that Tozer fellow, has a bit of ignorance in himself, to deny the Word. I guess the reason I posted this, is because I have slowly become aware that Brother Hagin has never been the problem. What I believe, and what I preach, isn't an issue, its not what turns you off to the things of God. Its still the false preaching you have grown up with. I will keep you in my prayers, and perhaps, will just have to not post so much here, because there really is little debating we can do, when you chose to belive in a man who completely rips out secitons of the Bible and says they do not exist. I will keep you in my Prayers, I will continue to make mention of you, asking God to give you the Spirit of Wisdom, and Knowledge.


God be with you strong Sir,
Mitch Miller

Hey all , I really am sorry if it seems like I am badgering you guys. I do not wisht o sound mean, but I can tell you all have such Good intentions, I'd hate to see you live your entire lives, lacking knowledge of certain things. I have listend to a few of the guys posted here on this site, Tozer being the most listened to, and I just thought I'd post this link to where you can view some of the teachings from my Pastor.
http://www.nlconline.org/newlifeteam_broadcastarchive.html

You just need real player to view them.


Thanks again for your time,
Mitch Miller

Faith and authority according to Hagin and his visions

Faith – an instrument to re-arrange reality according to will.
Authority – commanding ones wishes into being. The modern prophetic movement picks up along this line.


Hagin’s faith is a faith which divests the Lord of “all authority”, re-installing fleshly desire in a ruling position, undoing the work of the cross of Christ.

Two small booklets by Hagin proclaim this message in a most alarming manner:
You can have what you say
Authority of the believer

In “I believe in visions” a Jesus tells Hagin that he, Jesus, cannot do anything about the activity of the enemy – all authority is handed over to the so called believer.

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Lars Widerberg

Its obvious you want to discuss what you think, versus what the Bible actually says. I believe the Lord does not want me to be involved with this discussion anymore, because I do not feel you will stop talking heresay, and give me exact Scripture. You say Hagin is wrong, you've yet to show me scripture where he is wrong. I mean you are saying this Tozer guy, is a better man of God than Hagin was? Yet Hagin was able to live his life, and back up every single thing he ever said with the Word of God. While it is most blatent that Tozer calls my God a liar. In the mesage this Tozer fellow preached, he might have ment well, but on behalf of Jesus Christ I can say that this man was a mouthpiece for the Prince of LIes himself, he was being used by Satan to distort God's Word to where he wont even admit that Hebrews 11 even exists. Untill you can come to the understanding, that you can not take God's Word and bend it for your own will, destroy parts of it you dont like, and add in your own Demonic twists to it, there can be little of a discussion. I have recieved hardly any scripture, instaed I've several times been told to listen to Ungodly men preach ungodly messages, and do all that they can to destroy Christ and his Church. I will keep you strongly in my prayers, I fear for your soul, it is a very bad thing to see a good man go to a Devil's Hell. But I pray your eyes will be opened, if you can't even see a definition which is Clearly stated, trying to get you to see a bigger Revelation of Christ, is almost impossible. I love you Brother, I know you wish to be a true witness for Christ, but I think you need to study your Bible a bit m ore, take off those doctrine glasses, and let the Holy Spirit lead you. I know I am right in this, b3ecause I was once living in ignorance where you are right now, I thought I knew it all, and I thought those who Speak in Tongues, and follow Hagin, or any other Faith ministers, were just nuts. Yet, I had to admit, I have no argument against it. What they preach is truth, which is seen because Jesus himself is with them confirming the Word.


Grace be to you Sir, may you find the truth of Life,

Mitch Miller

I own Authority of the Believer, show me where exactly you are trying to twist Brother Hagin's words around? Just give me the page number, and I can explain to you the truth behind what you dont seem to understand.