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Online! | | Kenneth Hagin and the Laughing Revival. | | One of the most disturbing videos I have ever seem in researching and looking into Charismatic excesses on the web was this of Kenneth hagin. I really don't ever care to watch it again, it would break my heart. Its literally the demonic laughing at the state of lukewarm christians who are under the influnce and control of the devil and can't even hear the voice of the Holy Spirit to lead them out of the darkness of the fellowship they are in.
Kenneth Hagin was a teacher in the popular Word Faith movement and has had a great influnce in many modern movements of Christianity.
[url=http://www.bible.ca/tongues-hagan-drunks-fall-down.ram]KENNETH HAGIN SHOWS HOW TO FALL DOWN (RealVideo 7:00 stream - Bible.ca)[/url]
Please realize this is serious, its not a laughing matter we should be weeping at the state of the Church, I don't know what a true prophet like A.W. Tozer would do? I really don't! Why aren't people standing up jealously for the truth Lord?
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|  2004/5/8 17:56 | Profile | earnestlycontend
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| | Re: Kenneth Hagin and the Laughing Revival. | | I saw a video that was put out by PawCreek Ministries (Bro. Joseph Chambers). It was about Kenneth Hagin's ministry also. It was very disturbing.
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| | 2004/5/8 21:47 | Profile | Rahman
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| | Re: Laughing Revival | | Ok, now this really put tears in my eyes! ... I couldn't watch all of it, It just increases my sense of impending doom ...
"He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations. I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not. (Isa.66: 3,4) ...
Lord God your long silence on the blatant wickedness of the unsaved, and the foolish folly of your modern Church both offering up to you strange fire, and carrying your glory upon our cart of convienence fills me with dread of your wrath ... Revive us oh God, once more to your glory, by any means necessary ... Amen |
| | 2004/5/10 17:38 | Profile | JKail
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| | Re: | | This video is just sickening....I don't know what else to say. That stuff is going on in the name of Christ....what an abomination! The church is called to defend the faith and its high time we start taking that seriously. In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we need to wake up!!!
-Jake Kail
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| | Re: | | I would like to pose a challenge to you who have posted in this forum, or anywhere for that matter, who have bashed Kenneth Hagin. The man was a true follower of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. There are many people today, who want to laugh at him, and Christians like me, because we speak in Tongues, and because we study our Bibles and KNOW that we can speak on behalf of Jesus Christ, and that we are Sons of God, and heirs according to the promise. The comments you have all made about the Late Rev. Hagin, remind me of a story in the Bible when Jesus was laughed and scorned, and was told that He casts out demons, in the name of Satan. You might wish to look that one up, also you might wish to study your Bible a bit more, pray to the Lord to help you realize what the Baptism in the Holy Spirit is. I am not attacking any of you, I have love, and compassion for you. Since you took the time to post on here what you did not like about Hagin's teachings, then its obvious that there is a huge part of you, which wants to serve God to the fullest. Thats very admirable, so I'd just suggest instead of bashing what Hagin teaches, seeing as how it is what Jesus himself taught, go to the Lord in prayer, and ask for a Revelation of his Mighty Word. Remember, there is Mercy, and there is nothing but Love for everyone. And also remember, it is written that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek him. I have read alot of Hagin's books, and my Pastor was a graduate of Rhema Bible College. The Word of Faith movement, as it has been called, might as well just be called, The Word of God movement, because thats all these men have done. They have taken God's Holy Word, and decided to live by every single letter of it, not by what they wish to live by. All Christians everywhere need to be Baptised in the Holy Spirit, speak in other Tongues, then will they know the full truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. So again I say, I'm glad to see so many of you here posting in this forum, and the passion with which you posted. But a passion that makes fun of anyone, is a passion given to you by Satan himself. You need to rebuke him in your life, and allow him no control over your tongues any longer.
God be with you all,
Mitch Miller
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Online! | | Re: | | Quote:
I would like to pose a challenge to you who have posted in this forum, or anywhere for that matter, who have bashed Kenneth Hagin.
I or anyone else haven't bashed or 'made fun' of this man. I am seriously concerned about the fruit and this man's life and would say its not according to godliness. God is the judge of all men's hearts but the scriptures are very plain in stating that we who are truly of the body of Christ may judge, discern amongst ourselves and expose false teachings that don't align with the 'true gospel of Jesus Christ'. The distinction that you bring about that 'you are baptized in the Holy Spirit' and 'speak in tongues' so therefore everything that brother Hagin teaches is correct because they have that extra revelation and walk in God that most of us don't? that is wrong and truly gives a bad name to the deeper Christian life and of walking and having our movement as Christians in the spirit. Everything must be aligned to the Word of God! the holy Scriptures given to us.
If the 'baptism of the Holy Spirit' equals what I see in the video truly I don't want it. My spirit in my doesn't bear witness with the excesses that are happening and I weep over the way that Christ's spirit is maligned. I am being straight forward with you brother, I as a Chrisitan and a true follower of Christ do [b]not[/b] agree with the manifestations and teachings that accompained Kenneth Hagin's ministry, and therefore do not have them up on this website. I am not saying that Kenneth Hagin could not be Christian or even yourself for that matter, but I do have the liberty to say what the spirit of truth leads to into and what it bears witness with and not.
God has led me in this ministry to clearly show truth rather than naming and exposing darkness by showing darkness. In most cases I have simply been led to offer materials on this website that show the light of God and by listening and reading these resources people have realized what darkness is and have had a hunger for the pure truth of God, 'the truth that is in Jesus'. Don't ever be decieved there will be [b]many[/b] gospels, [b]many[/b] spirits, [b]many[/b] teachings, but there [b][u]is only[/u][/b] ONE gospel, ONE spirit, and ONE teaching that is true and comes from above. Thats what God reveals and shows through the Holy Spirit in the Scriptures.
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| | Re: | | Yes Sir you are correct, there is ONE Gospel. And there is nothing that Brother Hagin has ever said, that does not line up with the Word of God. Every writer of the New Testament was Baptized in the Holy Spirit. They had recieved it, when people were saved in the Book of Acts, Paul showed up and prayed for them that they 'might recive the baptism of the Holy Ghost' This surely shows us that it is something we can recieve after Baptism. However, I have figured a little something out, I have found this website is based I believe, on Baptist 'Doctrine'. That can easily explain, why Brother Hagin isn't liked so much by people who like to post here. I was origionally a Baptist, however after hearing over and over again that Tongues was not for us, and then reading in the Bible how EVERY Christian is to speak in Tongues, and then also having the Baptists say that Healing isn't for everyone, yet The Bible says that By his stripes ye WERE healed. Not might be, not could be, but its already done. And for that fact, after I myself have felt God move in mighty ways in my life, I have realized that EVERY single Word of the Bible is fact. If you chose to doubt teachings of Brother Hagin, or any other so called 'Faith' man. Then that is your own choice, but as God himself has said, 'My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge' Jesus Christ, has delegated his name to us, we can cast out demons, we can heal the sick, we can speak in a Heavnly language which talks directly to God the Father. I would like to know what exactly it is, you think Hagin has taught, that does not lign up with God's Holy Word. I can assure you, if you'd take the time to stop, ask the Holy Spirit to lead you through the Scriptures, you would find a new Revleation of Jesus Christ.
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Yes Sir you are correct, there is ONE Gospel. And there is nothing that Brother Hagin has ever said, that does not line up with the Word of God.
I would fully disagree with that statement. Kenneth Hagin taught false doctrines. Here is a few quotations from a book called "Charismatic Choas" on Hagin, I don't fully agree with all the presuppositions of the book but I do think he clearly states alot of these doctrines:
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- As the name "Word-Faith" implies, this movement teaches that faith is a matter of what we say more that whom we trust or what truths we embrace and affirm in our hearts. A favorite term in the Word-Faith movement is "positive confession." It refers to the Word-Faith teaching that words have creative power. What you say, Word-Faith teachers claim, determines everything that happens to you. Your "confessions," that is, the things you say -- especially the favors you demand of God -- must all be stated positively and without wavering. Then God is required to answer (Charismatic Chaos, p. 281). Word-Faith believers view their positive confessions as an incantation by which they can conjure up anything they desire: "Believe it in your heart; say it with your mouth. That is the principle of faith. You can have what you say" (Charismatic Chaos, p. 285).
- Word-Faith is the fastest-growing movement within the professing church. It has involved two distinct but closely related factions: the Peale/Schuller-Positive/Possibility thinkers, with their roots in New Thought, and the Hagin/Copeland Positive Confession and Word-Faith groups, which have their roots in E.W. Kenyon, William Branham, and the Manifest Sons of God/Latter Rain Movement. In Hagin's book, Having Faith in Your Faith, he teaches that anyone can develop universal "laws of faith" to get what he wants. Hagin teaches that for a pastor or anyone to drive a Chevrolet instead of a luxury car isn't "being humble, that's being ignorant" of God's "law of prosperity" that works for "whoever you are," saint or sinner. "Having faith in your faith" is a far cry from what Jesus taught: "Have faith in God." [Other Hagin books that clearly detail his "theology" are How to Write Your Own Ticket with God (Tulsa: Faith Library, 1979) and Godliness is Profitable (Tulsa: Faith Library, 1982).] Hagin claims Jesus told him, "If anybody, anywhere, will ... put these [positive confession] principles into operation, he will always have whatever he wants from Me or God the Father" (Charismatic Chaos, p. 281).
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Every writer of the New Testament was Baptized in the Holy Spirit.
There is a very vast confusion over this doctrine in the current Christianity of our age. When most Christians hear about the 'baptism of the Holy Spirit' they cring because they associate it will all kings of excesses and Spiritual choas. There is a life of absolute surrender where God takes control of your life filling you in every place with the indwelling Holy Spirit. It is a life that will beget spiritual fruit of gentleness, love, hope, etc and also the Spirit will lead you into all truth.
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I have figured a little something out, I have found this website is based I believe, on Baptist 'Doctrine'. That can easily explain, why Brother Hagin isn't liked so much by people who like to post here.
Sadly brother you have missed the mark greatly here. This website ministry is "Christian" and cannot be labeled with a restricted label of 'baptist' or 'presbyterian'. This site consists of preachers from all denominations and sects but the commonality is that they were men that had the spirit of God and [b]have[/b] a love for the truth.
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| | 2004/7/4 17:42 | Profile | ZekeO
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| | Re: Quite A Stir | | I think in this particular subject, it would be good for us not to throw the baby out with the bath water.
I have'nt seen the video but I wonder what the church in Corinth must have been like. The reason I say that is that the NewTest is very silent on what actually transpired in the Church during there meetings. How people responded to the moving of the Holy Spirit on/in and around them. There could have been absolute mayhem, who knows.
On the other hand the focus of any meeting anywhere in the Church is to glorify Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit is in the Church to reveal him. My concern is when what he does becomes the reason for being there, and not to meet the Lord. It is like the children have given the wine of the Spirit and concentrated more on the gift than the one who gave it.
Middle road?
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Hi and welcome to the site. 'middle road?' thats a dangerous road forsure I tend with many saints of the past to stay within the realm of scripture, revealed truth given us from heaven. I really don't see how the church of corinth could be compared to the scene shown in this video. Just think about it [b]LAUGHING[/b] I just don't see it. And animal noises? come on Christians this is NOT God! To put Christians in the place of having to either agree fully with the things happening in Christian circles calling it a 'moving of the spirit' is not fair. I fully believe in the fulness of Gods spirit in the Christian life, the gifts of the Spirit and the amazing miricales that can result. And also the depths of Christ-like character that we can attain to and also depth of spiritual knoweldge the spirit can lead us to. But me disagreeing with certain circles of Christian experience does not nullify the truth of God and my possible attaining to this deeper Christian Life. I am rather pointing people into the best ways.. and leading them away from anything that is questionable and dilluted.
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