The principle of the cross was always in the Father's Mind as the way for man to enter His Presence. Both the work of the cross and the way of the cross were from the beginning in the Mind of God. Adam was His first experiment in this.
The beginning was not creation of man. It was the beginning of God... whenever that was.
Ormly, My understanding is we are discussing Firstfruits. So please if you would stay on the subject at hand introduced on hhis blog. We are the First Fruits of God's NEW Creation In Christ Jesus. Romans 8:23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.Romans 16:5Likewise greet the church that is in their house. Salute my well-beloved Epaenetus, who is the firstfruits of Achaia unto Christ.1 Corinthians 15:20But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.1 Corinthians 15:23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.1 Corinthians 16:15I beseech you, brethren, (ye know the house of Stephanas, that it is the firstfruits of Achaia, and that they have addicted themselves to the ministry of the saints,)James 1:18Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.Revelation 14:4These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.God's Plan from the Beginning: 23And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. 24And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. 25And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. 26And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it. ******27And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.Totally unlike the first, no satan there to make a lie or deceive.Praise God!Love In ChristKaty-did
Katy-did wrote:Ormly, My understanding is we are discussing Firstfruits. So please if you would stay on the subject at hand introduced on hhis blog. We are the First Fruits of God's NEW Creation In Christ Jesus.
I started this thread with that theme in mind. You derailed it as you usually do, taking it in some strange undefinable direction.
This is what Adam was to have accomplished in him had he entered into the "way of the Cross", after which he would have had the inclination to eat of the "Tree of Life"; to finalize his Transfifuration; to become, to participate as God is, in Human Flesh
What can i say Katy except you just don't understand why Christ came to Earth. You don't understand His message and what was the Fathers ultimate intention for mankind. Thats too bad.You must believe God created Adam to fail.
Ormly, maybe this will help: Romans 8:18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 19 For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. ******20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; ******* In hope of What? The NEW Creation!21 because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. 23 Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body.29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. ( The NEW Creation). 30Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. Love in ChristKaty-didPS added Edited for contentHebrews 2: 4God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will? 5For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection THE WORLD TO COME, whereof we speak. 6But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man that thou visitest him?
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1 Corinthians 2:7But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
Katy-did wrote:1 Corinthians 2:7But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: