The first man Adam was made a [u]living soul[/u]; The last Adam was made a [u]quickening spirit[/u].
Your reference to the "Breath of Life" given Adam I see as a type of the "Breathing upon them" in the upper room in John 20.22 by Jesus. In both cases Life was administered.
There is an element of LOVE-ALLEGIANCE-VISION-JOY, that would have been in the mix. What he did have was "a daily walk" WITH the Divine and obedience was the only thing he could give God.
Yes, to me, there is an awe of mystery and of love given by God by the very testing ... was it reciprocal? Proven by obedience less required in the right understanding than that of ... willingness.
Katy-did, what do you think Jesus means when He says, "Take up your cross and follow me."?
I will say one last thing here and I do hope ynd pray you will read this and meditate upon it.Who is Christ, and who is Adam?Christ Is Far Greater Than AdamThe main point here is that what Christ has done for all who are in him is far greater than what Adam did for all who were in him.The obedience of Christ is parallel, but vastly superior, to the disobedience of Adam. The righteousness imputed to those who are in Christ is parallel, but vastly superior, to the sin imputed to those who are in Adam because of his disobedience. The life that comes to us who are in Christ through that imputed righteousness is parallel, but vastly superior, to the death that comes to those who are in Adam through that imputed sin. The point is the obedience of Christ, an through HIS obedience ALONE, HE has Preeminence of ALL creation, Colossians 1:17-19 17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. *******18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;Majorly Important verses here. How was this to come to pass?Adam Is a *Type*Romans 5Please be sure to see for yourselves that Paul does indeed intend to draw out a parallel here between Adam and Christ. Look at verse 14. I just want to get one crucial preliminary point from verse 14: "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, WHO IS A *TYPE* OF HIM WHO WAS TO COME." Now that last phrase is what I want you all to see. That is the hinge on which the whole paragraph swings. Adam is a "type" of him who is to come. Adam is a type of Christ. Adam was never going to be anything like Christ and was never promised to be anything like Christ. *And all the Fulness was never promised to dwell with Adam and Eve even if they never sinned. What does "type" mean? It means PATTERN, just as it says in Hebrews "pattern." Adam was a pattern of Christ who was to come. He was an example, or a foreshadowing, or a prefiguring of Christ. Just as the Tabernacle in the OT was to be built after the PATTERN of Heaven and built EXACTLY as God had said. EVE is a TYPE of Church, taken from Adam's side, bone of His bone and flesh of His flesh. Just as WE are joined together with Christ in this mystical union as One with Him, and raised a New Creation in HIM ALONE. Thank You for listening,My last comment here the LORD placed on my heart to post.Love in ChristKaty-did
Nile, I have no problem with OUR NOW, taking up our cross and following Jesus Christ, However that was not the issue. Ormly seems to be saying Adam and Eve were also to take up their Cross and follow before they fell int sin and that would have kept them fro m sinning......THAT IS NOT SCRIPTURAL.....
Nile wrote:Quote:Nile, I have no problem with OUR NOW, taking up our cross and following Jesus Christ, However that was not the issue. Ormly seems to be saying Adam and Eve were also to take up their Cross and follow before they fell int sin and that would have kept them fro m sinning......THAT IS NOT SCRIPTURAL.....Ok, I understand you.When Ormly talks about Adam and Eve talking up their cross, he is talking about a way of life. It means to deny-self and live unto God. Would you that agree Adam and Eve were to deny themselves and live unto God?
When Ormly talks about Adam and Eve talking up their cross, he is talking about a way of life. It means to deny-self and live unto God. Would you that agree Adam and Eve were to deny themselves and live unto God?
This is what Adam was to have accomplished in him had he entered into the "way of the Cross", after which he would have had the inclination to eat of the "Tree of Life"; to finalize his Transfifuration; to become, to participate as God is, in Human Flesh
Katy-did,Just a couple of notes. This is not a 'blog' but a forum for discussion and fellowship, maybe there is little difference in your mind and that is not to be overtly didactic, but there is a difference.It still seems you are pouring more into all this than what was intended, but beyond that your spirit is not right with these accusations and denouncements.My earlier quote;
How could it not be reciprocal, if I read you corrcetly? "And Samuel said, ..... Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams." 1 Samuel 15:22 (KJV)Unless by coersion, willingness to obey must be viewed as non-sacrificial since there must be a motivation to wit willingness must be from the freewill of man. Is this not what God is looking for. Jesus had such motivation that, when IN Him, is in us.
Ron, I have not read all, but 4 pages are so full of truth as it has been revealed to me that the agreement of that revelation and what is written is so great and wonderful in the face of the revelation power of who this Christ is that has been born again from above in us, the agreement has made my heart soar as an eagle or a sleek smooth beautiful and soaring glider, I speak from experience, as I am a glider instructor. In Christ: Phillip
Crsschk, The letter of James provides an important clue for the shape of the church's witness in the world: "God brought us forth by his word of truth, that we should be a kind of first fruits (aparchen tina) of his [new] creation" (1.18). The word aparche, which in the New Testament is used for Christ and the Spirit, is here applied to the church.
It still seems you are pouring more into all this than what was intended, but beyond that your spirit is not right with these accusations and denouncements
Interesting the depths of presumptous deception one can sink into and ignoring the iniquity, call it discernment.. We cannot form the mind of Christ if we don't have His Spirit, nor can we interpret/discern His teaching apart from His Spirit. The principle of the cross was always in the Father's Mind as the way for man to enter His Presence. Both the work of the cross and the way of the cross were from the beginning in the Mind of God. Adam was His first experiment in this. Jesus was no exception. He possessed the Nature of God from His birth because of His conception however, it was given Him of the Father that He should protect His Heritage [Birthright] by His willingness to abandon Himself to His Father's will, that all things might be perfected in Him..... and for Him....The "way of the Cross" was manifested in Him before the "work of the Cross" was finalized by Him that we might now partake of the same priviledge...