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ArtB
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by mguldner on 2011/8/27 0:20:22

"The only sinner that will be saved is the repentant sinner. Brother Art I am curious have the homosexual Christians you know repented of homosexuality? If not, are they saved? A radical turn to God requires a radical Turn from Sin.

But my sins are far worse, if the Lord says lusting with your eyes is a sin and I had to repent of that sin, why then is homosexually an exception? This ofcourse being if you think they are saved yet still unrepented from homosexuality.

(disregard brother Art I misread your post my apologizes but I am still curious how you share the gospel with them) :)"



I share the gospel to the gays as i do to everyone, even as I did here on other threads. Accepting the atoning blood of Jesus as a covering for all their sins, The Laws of Christ under the New Covenant, the receiving of the indwelling Holy Spirit whom will be there Helper to bring them to maturity in Jesus Christ. God does all the work, I just want them to enter into fellowship with God. I do not judge them, but I do love them.


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Arthur Biele

 2011/8/27 3:35Profile
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Art...the term "christian gays" is as ridiculous as "christian adulterer" or "christian thief". It would seem to me you peddle a cheap grace gospel which is not a gospel at all. The gospel of Jesus is .....leave your life, lay it down...take up your cross, repent of sin (ALL SIN) and follow me. You can't do that and continue in adultery, theft, lying, homosexuality or any other sin. Granted we all have sin we continually are "dealing" with..... the key is we are "dealing" with it and we don't sugar coat it and call it a way of life.


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Jeff

 2011/8/27 4:43Profile
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Enochh wrote to Art:
It would seem to me you peddle a cheap grace gospel which is not a gospel at all.


Are you perfect and free from all besetting sins? Give others as much time as God has given you.

God bless you,
Lisa


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Lisa

 2011/8/27 5:03Profile
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Enoch never claimed to be perfect sis, just that for one to say I am a homosexual Christian is a complete contradiction of life. This is the real test and I believe Enoch hit it right on are you battling the Sin in your life? Someone who is homosexual and is battling it, is making an effort to turn from it and for them is grace. But to say Oh God will just accept them as they are without them leaving that old life is against the Scriptures.

If we don't identify with Christ and His Death as our own we cannot identify with Christ in his Resurrection power and cannot call ourselves children of God. Repentance is a lifestyle, of turning from Sin. I don't continue looking at pornography just because I am a Christian and God forgives, No I fight and battle it with the Help of our Lord Jesus Christ. I cruxify the flesh with the help of Christ and its all Him truly but we must submit to the truth of His word, He calls Sin an abomination and He calls His children to FLEE from it and come out of it.

If a homosexual is truly repentant and fleeing this sin then they are a New Creature in Christ Jesus and wouldn't be a "homosexual Christian" but simply a Christian or perhaps a Christian who was a former homosexual or a Christian who battles it.

Remember violent men take the Kindom of God by force, this of course is refering to our inner man. When you enter Christ Jesus and establish that relationship truly your relationship to sin changes as well.


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Matthew Guldner

 2011/8/27 7:55Profile









 Re: My repentence and the person who spoke of me.

Saints my name is Blaine Scogin not Martyr. I an sorry I took that name when I registered on Sermon Index. I should have been as some in thus forum and use my real name. That is why I pput either my full or first name after my post.

I repent of the post previously where I tried to be funny and little cynical. There was no call for that, I deeply apologize. There is too much cynacism and sourcasm being displayed in this forum. I have contributed to that. I will not to do that any more. Therefore I deeply repent and ask your forgiveness. If I have offended anybody I humbly ask your forgiveness. From this point on I will do my best to make sure my post are pleasing to Christ. All of what I said with the help of Jesus. Again I am deeply sorry.

To the person who spoke to me I deserved your remark and do repent. I also must ask, with the utmost of love for your soul, do you know Jesus. I sense by the spirit of your post there are some serious issues in your heart. Only.the Lord can reveal those to you. I pray you will find salvation and healing in Christ. I implore you, do not, please do not let anger a.d bitterness rule you. They are poison of of the devil. I plead with you come to the cross. Be saved by Jesus. For he will set you free to walk in his grace and love.

Posted in Jesus.

Blaine Scogin

 2011/8/27 8:46









 Re: Back on track

To return to the originnal thread of this post their is a move under way to keep the church from speaking forth the truth. One poster has shown what is occurring in our neighbor to the north which supposedly is a democratic country. We are seeing both in Canada and in the U S to speak out against homosexuality or even Islam will land you a fine, jail, or both. We remember those who peacefully prayed at abortion rallies were aarested and brutally halled off to jail. By the way this was in the U S, not a forign country.

But saints let's cut to the chase. Let's get to the heart of the matter. Are these laws designed to muzzle the church from speaking out on issues of morality? Or are these laws designed to PREVENT US FROM DECLARING JESUS CHRIST????????

We know in our country today it is forbidden to mention the name of Jesus Christ in the public sector. If a student mentions Jesus Christ and gives glory to that precious name that student is failed and expelled from school. If an employee mentions the name of Jesus Christ in the work place in a commendable way that person is reprimanded of fired.

Does anyone remember Tiger Woods and his fall?. He was openly talking about his Buddhism background which certainly did not help his lust problem. But he kept talking how Buddhism would help him find redemption. There was a noted sports journalist. I cannot recall his name. I think it was Britt Hune. Anyway the journalist is a Christian. He cane out and said Tiger could best find redemption through a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Unlike a certain Mormon who will not declare his allegiance to Christ this brother let the secular media know where he stood. The brother is or did work in secular media.

The tragedy of all this was the public was more outraged at the journalist than they were at Tiger. I mea how dare one think that salvation alone is found in Jesus.

Saints the greater danget of the hate crime laws is they muzzle us from sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ. They prevent from mentioning Jesus. Have you ever stopped to think that Jesus Christ himsekf could declared a hate crime.

A short time ago, a prominate Christian ministry dropped the name of Christ out if its name. It's so shamful that it grieves me to mention its new name. Then their is Mussie Eyob . Who is he? He is a young brother from Eritrea who was arrested for proclaiming Jesus Christ. In front of a Moslem mosque in SAUDIE ARABIA. No doubt this brother wi be executed for his courage.

Saints as evil encroaches upon our land and more restrictive laws are passed to prohibit us from preaching Christ where will we draw our courage from? Will it be from people like Richard Wormbrand, Asia Bibi, Corrie Ten Boon, Britt Hune, or Mussie Eyob or an unnamed ministry that had not the courage to keep Christ in its title. You be the judge. God grant that we all be men and women of courage in these dark times.

Posted by Blaine Scogin

 2011/8/27 13:45
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Matthew, I love ya brother. I agree and see exactly what you wrote but we (Christians) live in a “christian bubble” if I may say so humbly.

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Are you perfect and free from all besetting sins? Give others as much time as God has given you.


I still stand by my original question, it wasn’t just to Enochh – it was for everyone including me. We need to trust God and give others AS MUCH TIME as God has given us; is God finished with you yet? He’s not with me either! So perhaps He is not finished with homosexuals yet either.

We start these threads and wind up in every one of them saying in round about ways that our sinful struggles (sexual sins) are not the same as “the homosexuals.” Therefore “ours” are a much cleaner sin than theirs is and brother, that is plain and simple pride on our part.

And all I’m trying to say is that upon reading the average Christian’s responses in these threads, no wonder homosexuals won’t venture into our churches to be set free; no wonder they’ve created a whole community unto themselves.

I’ve said my peace and brother I meant no harm to you, I hope none was taken. I won’t post again in this thread, so carry on!!!

God bless you,
Lisa


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Lisa

 2011/8/27 15:33Profile
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Ah Sister you know I love you too. And I definitely see where you are coming from, in my struggle against lust I had to come to a place of humility in this area. I had to answer the question Is my sin the same or not? I know you see my point and I am thankful. Something that helped me even come to the truth was being confronted with it, I don't see an equal balance in the "realm of homosexuals" meaning there are some that are like the Westboro baptist church that are just hatemongers and this is one extreme and then there are those that say their lifestyle is okay and they don't need to change a thing because they'll go to heaven either way, they can even be preachers.

There has to be an equal balance of loving them and showing them compassion while at the same time confronting the sin with the truth of the Word of God. Christ Jesus came to free us from sin, not provide grace so we can wallow in it. I am far from perfect that is for sure and as you put it the Lord isn't done with me.


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Matthew Guldner

 2011/8/28 1:09Profile
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 Re: A reply to those whose sins are far smaller than mine.

I had forgotten about this thread till today, then it took awhile to find it.

I have read all the replies and I am not impressed by any of the responses except for those of Lysa, who has the heart of Christ.

I recall Jesus handling of the adulterous woman. Jesus knew she committed adultery, so did her accusers who brought her to Jesus in order to discredit Him. Jesus had compassion for her even though she was an adulteress.

Jn 8:1-11
But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. Early in the morning He came again into the temple, and all the people were coming to Him; and He sat down and began to teach them. The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman caught in adultery, and having set her in the center of the court, they said to Him, "Teacher, this woman has been caught in adultery, in the very act. Now in the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women; what then do You say?" They were saying this, testing Him, so that they might have grounds for accusing Him. But Jesus stooped down and with His finger wrote on the ground. But when they persisted in asking Him, He straightened up, and said to them, "He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." AGAIN HE STOOPED DOWN AND WROTE ON THE GROUND. When they heard [e.g. saw what Jesus wrote and understood] it, they began to go out one by one, beginning with the older ones, and He was left alone, and the woman, where she was, in the center of the court. Straightening up, Jesus said to her, "Woman, where are they? Did no one condemn you?" She said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said, " I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on sin no more." NASU

What happened here? These men knew she was an adulterous, She knew she was an adulterous, Jesus knew she was an adulterous. These accusers left while Jesus was writing in the dirt. All knew THE LAW required her death by stoning, then they had to hang her body on a tree for all to see what becomes of adulterers.

Each saw what Jesus was writing and they understood. I am convinced Jesus provided each of the accusers with a reminder of a sin they were guilty of, punishable by the Mosaic Law. And understanding their own dilemma, each walked away. Jesus had mercy on the woman, He merely told her to not sin [i.e. do not violated any laws of the Mosaic covenant anymore.]. Jesus, knowing she did commit adultery yet He did not violate the Mosaic Covenant, because the Mosaic Law requires two witnesses to convict, and all the other witnesses of the crime had walked away.

But we live under a different Covenant, whereby we do not save ourselves, but God has saved us through the blood covering of Jesus blood, shed on the cross, by the one sacrifice of the only PERFECT LAMB OF GOD, JESUS!

I accept the word of the homosexual that he/she is a Christian if they are truly under the BLOOD of Jesus Christ after accepting Jesus died for their sins and His blood covers all their sins, whatever they be. I believe God will work in them until the day of Christ, and God will accomplish His will in them.

However, if you say such a one can not possibly be a saved Christian because of his sin - homosexuality, then by what standard of measure you measure them, so shall it be measured unto, and when you step on that scale of Christian virtue you built for yourselves, you yourselves will be judged accordingly.

As for me, I will be their friend and not condemn them, and will encourage them to set their eyes on Jesus, and pray that God has mercy on them, for God to work in their life to transform them to do the good that He created them to do.

For I too believe in Jesus and accepted Jesus atoning blood shed on the cross - washing away all my sins for all time, and I have the indwelling Holy Spirit (God-In-Me), and I know God will accomplish in me what He said He would, and my salvation does not at all depend on others sinners who say they are Christians but label me unsaved because their continual sinning or habitual sins are not near as bad as mine are.

Here is God's Gift to us, a gift that we can not earn with our own righteousness.

Jn 11:21-26

21 Martha then said to Jesus, " Lord, if You had been here, my brother would not have died. Even now I know that whatever You ask of God, God will give You."

Jesus said to her, "Your brother will rise again."

Martha said to Him, " I know that he will rise again in the resurrection on the last day."

Jesus said to her, " I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies, and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?" NASU

I do believe this.

ArtB


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Arthur Biele

 2011/8/28 22:29Profile









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Would you consider a serial killer a Christian, if they still killed every now and then? Especially if they didn't see any problem with the occasional murder?

How about a Christian pedophile? We shouldn't say anything about that right?

I'm not saying someone who struggles with the temptation of these, but someone who still does them and doesn't seem to see a problem with them.

Remember that in the long list of those who would not inherit the kingdom of heaven Paul said, such WERE some of you, not such are.

Not that any of us were any better before Christ got a hold of us, but I shudder to think I could still call myself by the name of the sin that ensnared me before God let me have a new name.

Oh yes, love the homosexual. Love them so much that you're not scared to tell them that their lifestyle has consequences not only in this life, but in the life to come, and that they're only option IS to "Go and SIN NO MORE," no matter how unpopular it makes you.

 2011/8/29 8:45





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