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Again, Jesus tells us Himself in a parable.

Luke 5:37
And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish.

Colossians 3:10
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

Ephesians 2:15

Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Love in Christ
Katy-did

 2007/7/9 11:13









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2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.




If, If, If ----- are you?


"Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth.
Ezekiel 33:12 (KJV)

 2007/7/9 12:21









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Colossians 4: 5
Walk in wisdom toward them that are without, redeeming the time. Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man. ;-)

Ephesians 5:19
Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; ;-)

Colossians 3:16
Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. ;-)

2 Timothy 2:23
But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes. :-x

1 Timothy 6:20
Guard what was committed to your trust, avoiding the profane and idle babblings and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge— :-?

Jude 12-13
These are spots in your love feasts, while they feast with you without fear, serving only themselves. They are clouds without water, carried about by the winds; late autumn trees without fruit, twice dead, pulled up by the roots; raging waves of the sea, foaming up their own shame; wandering stars for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever.
:-? :-( :-x

Love in Christ
Katy-did

 2007/7/9 14:00









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2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

If, If, If ----- are you?

Sidetracking the issue doesn't answer the question.

 2007/7/9 14:13









 Re: OSAS . . . A Deception

Katy-did:


Heb 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers,[b]ye have need that one teach you again[/b] which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. (KJV)

2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the [b]truth[/b]. (KJV)

1Ti 6:4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings. (KJV)


Php 2:3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves. (KJV)


Php 1:15 Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife. (KJV)

1Co 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? (KJV)



You seem to have alot of head Knowledge of and in the Word of God but knowledge puffs up as can be seen through out your post's. You have knowledge though in error but no genuine love toward your fellow brothers and sisters as is also the tone of your post's. No gentleness or meekness in your tone as well. Just that you have an agenda, "yours". At the end of each of your post's you say: Love in Christ, but you show no love in your speech and conduct. You might rather want to change it to say: "Knowledge of Christ", not Love in Christ for Love is not displayed in your writings.


Brother Julian

 2007/7/9 15:13
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"Are YOU?"


Yes, are you?

How?

By the birthing. This is the main reason that people don't understand, when God saves a person, they cannot get our of His hands.

Born again, birthed, by the Seed of the Father, that is "Sperma" of God. If you believe in the virgin birth then you can believe in the birthing of God in the believer. It is the same, The Holy Spirit has places the Christ Seed in the believer. That Seed is Incorruptable, and takes the place of the corruptible. We are free from sin, that is the sin of Adam and Eve. That sin cannot be held ever again to the believer's charge. Christ's death on the Cross was the sole and total sacrifice that takes away the sin of the world.

Confirmed by the Word of God: 1 John 3:8-10 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

"Born of God" he cannot sin, that sin that puts him under the law of sin and death ever again.
This is the exchange of nature, from the old man with the spirit of Adam and Satan as his advocate. The new nature is exchanged for the old nature and we become by nature of our birthing our new birth, being born again, with a new created nature which is the Nature of God in Christ Jesus. If God went to all the trouble to justify the birthing of Christ in the lost who believe, why would He do that if it is up to man to make it so or loose it?

God has said, "He will never leave us", that in itself should procure our ability to be saved and stay saved. No abortion on God's part or mine.

"His Seed remaineth in him".

Again: 1 John 4:7-8 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

What does the birthing do for the new creation in Christ Jesus? It gives us Love and knowledge.
Without the Christ in us by the Father's Seed, we have no knowledge of God and cannot Love one another.

So knowledge comes with the birthing, "he that loveth if born of God and knows God," that has the knowledge of God. Jhn 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

This birthing give the believer the capacity to love and have the knowledge of God and without it there is only the knowledge of man and the love of man which is governed by the advocate in them which is Satan.

This change of mind to the mind of Christ is what the birthing is all about. Renew you mind.
Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

This is not us doing it or else, this is a fact and you will be transformed by the renewing and it will prove what was in God's mind before the foundation of the world, that is Christ in you.
This fact and it being done by the Father will prove it, that being the good, and acceptable and perfect will of God. He has done it, it is finished and The will of God will confirm it in His son's that are birthed by Him.

This Knowledge comes with the birthing. The child in conception brings knowledge that another person is in her. (the Bride of Christ)
Like a woman that has conceived, she soon enough knows that another person is inside her, now her life will change. Sleepless nights, restlessness, throwing up, growing in stature in the physical as well as the mental, irritable, then comes the pain of the knowledge of delivery.
Then again her whole life changes and her all is given to the birthing that she has given. Two o'clock feedings, endless diapers, messy at that, and it never stops even when the birthed child grows up she is always concerned with the child she has conceived. The Same that happens in the new believer we become aware of the new Person in us, that is Christ and the Holy Spirit and now they begin to grow in us and our minds are completely changed to the Mind and wishes of the Person in us. We will become like Christ or we will suffer in many unhappy circumstances and situations that will bring us back to That Christ that is in us. But, He has never left us or "He will never leave us.

1Jo 4:8
He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

If you cannot love the new person that is in us then it never happened in the first place and has no knowledge of God. "for God is Love."

1 John 5:1-2 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

This is not dependant on us doing, but dependant on when we do it, "By this we know the we love the children of God, when we love God and Keep his commandment. Not a choice but a knowing, when it happens. We cannot loose God. God will keep us to the end.

When we love, it is the assurance of our birth in Christ Jesus and He in us. Love = birth
Then we can enter The rest God has promise those that are in Christ Jesus. Psa 95:11 Unto whom I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my rest.

Hbr 3:18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?

Hbr 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

This is the rest that the new believer should have and not being taught the he can loose his salvation. If he turns away he never believed, he was only giving lip service. Entering that rest is the assurance of Salvation. The new believer will know that is God whom he depends on and not himself by his own works to maintain his salvation. That is why He says work our your own salvation. 1Th 1:3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;

This is already our own salvation or it would say work our your salvation which has our works attached to it. This salvation is already our and now we must work it our in fear and trembling, not because we need to please God but because we don't know what God is going to do, to conform us to the Image of His Son, that is scary. Knowing that God loves us so much the He will conform us to the Image of His Son by what ever means be necessary to accomplish His will for us in Christ Jesus.

The new believe should have the assurance the he can never loose his salvation and put him at rest no matter what circumstance or situation he is in, knowing it is of God to bring him into the conformity of Jesus Christ.

Not my works but His. Tts 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Rom 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath [whereof] to glory; but not before God.

Rom 9:32 Wherefore? Because [they sought it] not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

Don't let the new believer stumble over Christ that is in him, but let him know that God is sure and true and will see to it that he is a Christian, a Christ--One, a son of God.

1 John 5:4-5 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

This speaks for itself and needs no explanation.
Not by works but by the Faith of the Son of God in him.

1 John 5:5-6 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

Does this sound like we can loose or salvation when we overcome the world, it is the Spirit that bears witness, The Spirit is truth.

The total of all that has been said, your cannot loose your salvation, for it is of God and not ourselves. The birthing is the key. No Abortions.

1 John 5:18-20 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness. And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

Is this the true God and eternal life?

In Christ: Phillip


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 2007/7/9 16:29Profile









 Re: OSAS . . . A Deception

Phillip:

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The total of all that has been said, your cannot loose your salvation



Yes you most certainly can! It's called, Backsliding and it's in your Bible. Say someone has been saved for 30 years and low and behold there not anymore for some reason because they were never saved ??? What a lie from the pit of hell! "Once Saved Always Saved" is a false doctrine just like that of the Mormons and the Jehovah Witness are of which i've talked to both for many years now. So everyone can come at me with your scripture's - just like the Mormons do and the Jehovah Witness do.



Brother Julian

 2007/7/9 16:55









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Christinyou wrote:
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"Are YOU?"


Yes, are you?

How?

By the birthing. This is the main reason that people don't understand, when God saves a person, they cannot get our of His hands.

Born again, birthed, by the Seed of the Father, that is "Sperma" of God. If you believe in the virgin birth then you can believe in the birthing of God in the believer. It is the same, The Holy Spirit has places the Christ Seed in the believer. That Seed is Incorruptable, and takes the place of the corruptible. We are free from sin, that is the sin of Adam and Eve. That sin cannot be held ever again to the believer's charge. Christ's death on the Cross was the sole and total sacrifice that takes away the sin of the world.



Wrong interpretation of good scripture. Such a shame. A pity.

 2007/7/9 16:55
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What is your interpretation?


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Phillip

 2007/7/9 17:02Profile
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Where in the bible is back sliding after the Cross.


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