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Joined: 2003/5/8 Posts: 4419 Charlotte, NC
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KingJimmy, Thanks for your insight. One thing Im trying to find out is, if you took two men, and both are doing the same type of ministry, yet one has this unique gift and the other does not; What benifet would the one with the gift be? If any?
Simply put: the power of God. Just because one has the gift of gab doesn't mean they are called to be a teacher. Many people are doing things in the church these days that are outside the calling that God has placed on them. _________________ Jimmy H
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| 2006/12/3 23:24 | Profile | KingJimmy Member

Joined: 2003/5/8 Posts: 4419 Charlotte, NC
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Actually, fyi, Paul was 3 of the 4 (not 5) fold ministry. Evangelist, teacher, AND apostle. See 1 Timothy 2:7 and 2 Timothy 1:11
Indeed, Paul's calling was primarily three-fold... many people overlook this. If he thought himself more than these three things, he is silent about it.
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Because Philip seems to be an apostle AND evangelist. Matt. 10:2-3 (Unless that is a different Phillip) and Acts 21:8
Philip the apostle is different than Philip the Evangelist. Philip the Evangelist was also one of "the seven" deacons selected in Acts 6. He's also mentioned again in Acts 8. _________________ Jimmy H
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| 2006/12/3 23:28 | Profile | EVAVGELIST Member

Joined: 2006/11/23 Posts: 113 PERRIS CA
| Re: | | King Jimmy,
May God abundantly bless you as you follow the HEART OF GOD as a missionary.
Let me ask you this, do you believe in modern day Apostles apart from todays technical usage of the word??? (Missionary)
PS When you go to Greensboro feel free to let me know so I can pray for you.
_________________ JOSHUA MEYERS
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| 2006/12/4 0:55 | Profile | GraceAlone Member

Joined: 2006/8/23 Posts: 232 Orlando, Florida
| Re: | | Isn't there a big differnce between those "sent out" in the church and those "sent out" by Christ himself. I know that only those who were sent out by Christ Himself had the authority to write Scripture.
Eph 2:20 20 having been built(the church) on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone
Here there is a big difference between the church and the apostles. It also says BUILT in past tense. _________________ Kristy
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| 2006/12/4 11:47 | Profile | EVAVGELIST Member

Joined: 2006/11/23 Posts: 113 PERRIS CA
| Re: | | GraceAlone, The question is not, do Apostles exist in the Church? We all ready established the fact that they exist. In Eph. 4:12 It says, UNTIL or TIL we all come into the unity of faith
. These gifts will remain. Everyone knows that we do not need anyone to write Scripture today, yet writing Scripture is not the only function of an Apostle. There are many Apostles who never wrote one verse. The question is describing the uniqueness of this gift today. If you only believe in Missionaries or ones sent out from the Church, you really do not believe in modern day Apostles.
Right?
_________________ JOSHUA MEYERS
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| 2006/12/4 13:11 | Profile | EVAVGELIST Member

Joined: 2006/11/23 Posts: 113 PERRIS CA
| Re: | | When the Spirit of God moves upon a person and speaks to them a specific place to go, and the words of Jesus speaks to their heart GO YE INTO ALL THE WORLD and they go who sent them? Im not asking if the Church bore witness to the call. Im asking, who sent them? _________________ JOSHUA MEYERS
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| 2006/12/4 13:34 | Profile | GraceAlone Member

Joined: 2006/8/23 Posts: 232 Orlando, Florida
| Re: | | Eph 2:20 20 having been built(the church) on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone
Acts 2:42 And they continued steadfastly in the apostles doctrine and fellowship, in the breaking of bread, and in prayers.
2 Peter 3:16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.
Acts 2:21-26 21 Therefore, of these men who have accompanied us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, 22 beginning from the baptism of John to that day when He was taken up from us, one of these must become a witness with us of His resurrection. 23 And they proposed two: Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias. 24 And they prayed and said, You, O Lord, who know the hearts of all, show which of these two You have chosen 25 to take part in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place. 26 And they cast their lots, and the lot fell on Matthias. And he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
What of these verses? _________________ Kristy
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| 2006/12/4 13:59 | Profile | KingJimmy Member

Joined: 2003/5/8 Posts: 4419 Charlotte, NC
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Let me ask you this, do you believe in modern day Apostles apart from todays technical usage of the word??? (Missionary)
I use the term missionary as equal to that of apostle. I don't personally conceive of somebody being a missionary apart from being an apostle, nor an apostle apart from a misionary. I guess if one wants to use the term more loosely, they can. But I tend to be a stickler about word usages.
_________________ Jimmy H
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| 2006/12/4 16:05 | Profile | KingJimmy Member

Joined: 2003/5/8 Posts: 4419 Charlotte, NC
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Isn't there a big differnce between those "sent out" in the church and those "sent out" by Christ himself.
Being that the church is the body of Christ, I don't see how there can really be. See Acts 13 for Barnabas's and Paul's apostolic calling.
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Eph 2:20 20 having been built(the church) on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone
Here there is a big difference between the church and the apostles. It also says BUILT in past tense
This isn't quite a past tense. It is more literally translated, "being built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets..." The word used for built here is an Active Present Participle. In non-greek terms, this means it is a continuous ongoing action.
_________________ Jimmy H
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| 2006/12/4 16:17 | Profile | lovegrace Member

Joined: 2006/8/12 Posts: 313
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Scripture never calls Phillip an Apostle,
Evangelist. Did you not look at the scripture I quoted for Philip being an APOSTLE AND EVANGELIST? I guess not. Your believing what you heard and not what you seen, or missed, in scripture. I'll quote them again.
Matt. 10:2-3 - Philip is referred to as an APOSTLE. Acts 21:8 - Philip is referred to as an EVANGELIST.
So, if that is the same Philip (which I believe is, unless someone can show me that it isn't), then Philip was an Apostle AND Evangelist. Scripturally speaking.
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Does everyone who can do the work of a special gifting (Eph 4:11) automatically make them one? Or is this a divine gift from God?
This question is still a question that I'm looking for in scripture and probly won't have solid answer for another year. Due to many other important doctrines that Christ is teaching and helping me unlearn.
We do all know that Timothy was told to do the work of an evangelist but I don't think he was ever referred to as an Evangelist. And also in scripture it says that prophesy is subjected to the Prophets. So, that might be the answer your looking for. But I'm not 100% confident with that. Cause it's only half of the 4 fold ministry (pastors and teachers are same)
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Go ye in to all the world= Universal call= to All Christians Therefore all Christians are APOSTLES= Sent out ones This seems to fit your logic;
No, that's not my logic.
And you must keep in mind that most Christians don't leave their country (in America at least). I am willing to bet less than 10% of the church has been on a missions trip. And OF those 10%, I'd say 100% of them would be considered as an apostle, IF they are bringing the gospel with them.
But, KingJimmy held put up a good point with John-Mark. So. Hmm. I don't know. ;-) I never saw that before.
Eph 2:20 - This was quoted as saying that Apostles and Prophets build/built the foundation of the church. Well, I don't think it was THEM, because if anything has a foundation OTHER THAN CHRIST, it WILL BE DESTROYED. So, I believe that when it refers to 'apostles and prophets' i think it was their message. The message of Christ. All the OT Prophets spoke about the SOON COMING KING and then the Apostles spoke forth that message of Christ.
And this interuptation makes perfect since looking at the remaining of the verse "Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone"
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